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Fresh Coffee

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Just recieved my first order of beans off of MrJerry. Man it looks so fresh I want it right now. Anyway I have never had fresh coffee so I have a few questions you folks may be able to help me with. Is there a big differnce in coffee bean grinders (can you use a cheap one from K-Mart?)? And do you use the same amount as when you buy reg. ground coffee in a store? ???



By the way for you coffe drinkers out there that havnt tried him. I cant say anything about the flavor but the beans look great (fresh, and rich in color). On top of that he is incredible to deal with. Refreshes the thought that people care to give exceptional service in a polite way :thumbs:
 
Ed, if your using a drip coffee maker the whirrling blade grinders(walmart) will work ok. When you want to step up to a better coffee experience get a grinder that allows you to control the size of the grind, and a French Press coffee maker. Tip, with the blade grinders grind the beans as fine as you can, and use about half as much coffee. ;)

Mike
 
O.K. I use a regular , Mr Coffee type machine. Is this not good? and what do you suggest for coffeee grinders? ??? thanks :thumbs:
 
I think the Wal-mart grinders are fine. They sell Brauns and stuff like that.

Here's another tip: I keep the beans and the grinder in the freezer. Then to get a really fine grind, I really grind them for a while and shake the grinder towards the end to really stir things up. The coffee won't get overheated though.


I also use a velcro strap so it can sit on the counter grinding away while I prepare the coffee maker.

Honestly I don't think there is THAT much of a difference between a regular Mr. coffee and say a Gevalia. The BIGGEST determination of flavor is the bean, the second is the grind.

My 2 cents
 
Gevalia is a Swedish brand!!!!

Go Sweden, Go Sweden!!!

:thumbs:

No good morning without gooooood coffe!!!
 
With past experience to Mr. Jerry’s beans... Freeze it and Grind it as fine as you can! You don’t want to loose a bit of that flavor! ;) As Wascal said, you will only have to use half the amount as you would normally use! Unless you like being wired like a crack addict! :p
 
T.M.I. brother, I have a hard enough time just getting the coffee into the filter and than adding the right enough water. Now you gotta add all of this, I will never get a cup of coffee in the am. :0 :sign:
 
ahhh coffee. as a guy who is trying to open a coffee shop, and has spent years researching the science behind brewing the perfect cup, IM always happy to see people who are trying to make GREAT coffee. the old folgeres coffee crew people drive me insane i wont even drink the coffee at work! guess IM a coffee snob

Espresso is my true love, but it has to be done perfectly or its crap. Drip coffee on the other hand is a bit more forgiving. still there are some parameters that you need to know. Keep in mind I a very anal with this. I view it as an art!

Coffee is 98% water. Use good pure water. most tap water isn't good enough by my standard. At the minimum have a good water filter! not conditioned/soft water or distilled, you need the minerals for proper extraction. i used a good bottled spring water.

Water temp during brewing should be about 200 deg F . under that temp makes for weaker coffee, over 200 scalds the beans and leaves a bitter flavor. Most home brewers don't get that hot! but I have played with adding heated water to the brewer before with some success.....be careful, its dam hot!

turbulence, that's the agitation the water produces when it hits the coffee grounds. what makes good turbulence is the brew head, and the design of the brew basket. so in short make sure you use the basket that came with the brewer, and 2nd, make sure the brewer head isnt clogged. thats very common with the brewers at work. they use the crapy water, and it clogs the holes. Try and get a good commercial brewer. you can find them on ebay or in the paper for 100 bucks. bunn is a good brand.

Now to your question, the grind. Those cheap ass grinders you get from waly world suck. they can work (for drip coffee only) but they dull quickly then start to "burn" the coffee, because it crushes the beans. making a bitter taste.

the conical grinders are best, they shave the bean, and you can "dial" in the grind (more on that in a sec). if you are serious about getting the best coffee you can. get a good conical grinder. i use the "mini mazzer" they run around $400. if you are not that into it, at least get a conical grinder. to me though, its worth biting the bullet once and have a good grinder for almost ever!

the flavor from coffee comes from the oils that form on the bean during roasting. your goal in brewing its to mix just the oils with the right amount of water. sense the oils are the flavor part of coffee, you have to get good fresh beans.

the biggest enemy of coffee oils are, light, and air. this is why you want to store your coffee in air tight, solid (not clear) containers. from about 3 days after roasting your beans start to loose their oils. properly stored, your beans are good for about 10 days. from then on, they are no longer good enough for my use. with espresso, the difference is amazing. one week is the difference from a perfect cup, and one that tastes like crap.! lighter roasts do last a bit longer.

ever see those bean bins at the store? gasp* remember air, and light kill the oils. those bean couldn't be stored in a worse way!! also, only God knows when those things were roasted! stay away! find a good roaster, and order beans that are roasted weakly. then sold in an air tight bag with the one way breathing valve.

http://www.caffedarte.com/ this is my roaster. the best beans i have ever had.

time to brew! make sure you have a good brewer, good water, good beans.
grind your beans until it looks and feels like granulated sugar.

the standard for grommet coffee is 2 level tablespoons for each 6 ounce cup. ( 2 1/4 for an 8 ounce) holy crap huh! 1 1/2 or 2 is right for me (8 ounce) . just remember, most of the time when you have a bitter coffee, they didn't use enough coffee!

grab a stop watch. the brewing time should be between 4 to 6 minutes. if it brews to fast, make the grind of the coffee finer. if it goes longer than that. grind the coffee a bit less (more coarse)

think of it this way. you are trying to get only the oils out of the bean. if the water is in contact with the beans for too long, its takes the oil, and then some other elements from the beans that = BITTER!

if the water runs over to fast, you dont get enough oil. that = weak, and sour coffee.

now if you use to little of perfectly ground coffee, the water will go thru to fast = bitter coffee because more water is extracting from the same beans.. not good. this is the number one reason for bad coffee... so come one you cheap bastards use more coffee!!! hahahah

Sorry to ramble on, but I love the whole art of coffee. If you are ever in San Antonio, let me know. ill have you come over for some coffee and a good cigar!
 
oops had a double post there.. got rid of one! post padding? lol huh ahahah never!
 
Boy howdy!
Fresh ground is the best and Jerry has some excellent beans.
Enjoy the experiance!

PS I have three different coffee makers depending on what I want to do. One is the French Press as mentioned above. Takes more prep time but worth it!
BUD
 
man, that's some thourough work and description there.

it makes me wanna drink coffee now.
or make it at least.
 
Man the memories of putting the old can opener on the can of Folgers or Maxwell House letting out that first coffee smell aahhhhhh .............. sweet :D

Theres nothing like a great cup of Joe to start your day. I agree with all of what MT says good water good beans etc. but to me its just getting that first cup in the morning so taking temps and worrying about how fine the grind is or what language the beans speak is just way too over the top for me (don't get me wrong I understand and respect his passion since I am a major foodie myself) grind the damn beans use a krups use a braun use a meat tenderizer if its all you have. Pour the grinds into the filter add the water and let the coffee maker do its job.

Sit back an savour that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cup ;)

Good Luck :thumbs:

BenjieV :D
 
once you have things all set up, its really not a big deal. i know what setting to grind the beans. i have a good coffee maker and water. so really all i have to do is put the beans in the hopper, grind, put coffee grounds in the brewer and hit the button.!

its the espresso that is a pain. i usualy dont do espresso first thing in the morning. unless there are several people wanting some, its not worth it to warm up the machine, and pull one or 2 shots to get dialed in. just so i can make 1 drink!

ill also admit, that i have those foldgers coffee teabag things. if there is no time, just nuke some water and use the bags on the way out the door. its not nearly as good, but it works!
 
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