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mementomori

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Hello ! Just want to ask about making sushi . I'm totally new to the subject and want to now if regular raw fresh( not frozen ) tuna steaks that they sell in grocery stores are any good for sushi . I did ask the vendor for sashimi quality tuna but he just showed me packed tuna on display , well i understand it's not like he had any choices but the big question is : should i risk it and eat it raw in my sashimi and sushi ? The grocery store is good quality , it's a Dominick's ( info for those who live around Chicago area , large chain in this area ). Any input will be greatly appreciated .
 
I am no expert but I think there is specific kinds of fish that are 'sushi quality'. I dont think you can get sushi fish without going to a store that sells it specifically.
 
Really, it just depends on freshness, which . . . in Chicago . . . hmmmm. Dang, that's a long way from the ocean!

Also, tuna for sushi is cut a specific way, and from specific parts of the fish. Tuna steak is all wrong for sushi because of the direction of the grain---you want the strip of filet they cut the steaks from.

~Boar
 
It is your call, but sashimi grade fish is not federally regulated by the FDA. I believe the only requirement (based on my local sushi joint) is that fish that is meant to be served raw/uncooked have a "parasite destruction" guarantee, which is usually met by freezing the fish under certain parameters.

I had a friend who would regularly make her own raw sushi and had no ill effects. However, I would be interested in knowing if her limited mental capacity was because she was "ditsy" or there was a worm slowly eating at her brain.

While there is no regulation there seem to be steps to limit health risks to eating raw fish. I've seen to many nasty Discovery Channel specials to want to risk it. Some sushi bars will sell/order you some fish for home cookin'. I found the prices to be a split between the local grocery and the actual sushi bar.
 
I'm pretty sure that all tuna sold inland has been frozen during shipping then thawed by the retailer outlet. But I could be totally wrong.




http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/nyregion/08SUSH.html

Sushi Fresh From the Deep . . . the Deep Freeze


To many food lovers, sushi has become a near religion, and a cornerstone of the faith is that the fish is extraordinarily fresh. Its priests are chefs with seemingly mystical abilities to summon fresh fish from all corners of the globe.

But because of health concerns and growing demand, 50 to 60 percent of sushi in the United States is frozen at some point in its journey from the ocean, according to wholesalers. And rare is the sushi restaurant that tells customers upfront that they may be eating fish that has been in deep freeze for up to two years.

Most would be even more surprised to learn that if the sushi has not been frozen, it is illegal to serve it in the United States.

Food and Drug Administration regulations stipulate that fish to be eaten raw ? whether as sushi, sashimi, seviche, or tartare ? must be frozen first, to kill parasites. "I would desperately hope that all the sushi we eat is frozen," said George Hoskin, a director of the agency's Office of Seafood. Tuna, a deep-sea fish with exceptionally clean flesh, is the only exception to the rule.

But tuna is often frozen, too, not necessarily to make it safe, but because global consumption of sushi continues to rise. Frozen fish usually costs about half as much wholesale as fresh. And some cuts, like the prized fatty toro, are not always available fresh.

Naomichi Yasuda, the owner of Sushi Yasuda, the acclaimed sushi restaurant in New York City, said he imported fresh tuna but froze it himself, selling it for $10 a piece.

"American customers don't want to hear that something is out of season" he said with a shrug. "People want toro every day."

At the Elizabeth, N.J., warehouse of True World Foods, a manager, Ken Kawauchi, recently readied a room-size freezer to receive eight more tons of premium tuna frozen with sophisticated technology that chefs say preserves the texture and flavor of the fish.

"This product is better than fresh," he said. "We start freezing it almost before it's dead."

At 76 degrees below zero, you can feel your hair follicles freeze. A 20-pound chunk of premium bluefin tuna is rock hard and cold enough to burn a blister on your finger.

But all it takes is a band saw, 10 minutes and a bowl of warm water to produce deep red, dewy slices of the finest sushi money can buy, the same toro served at Manhattan sushi shrines.

Sabine Marangosian, who works in Midtown Manhattan, said she ate sushi "at least once a week." "I guess I would understand that some sushi is frozen," she said. "But I would hope that's not the case at Nobu."

But Shin Tsujimura, the sushi chef at Nobu, closer to Wall Street, said he froze his own tuna. "Even I cannot tell the difference between fresh and frozen in a blind test," he said.

Even Masa Takayama, whose sushi temple Masa, in the Time Warner Center, charges a minimum of $300 to worship, said he used frozen tuna when fresh is unavailable.

Many sushi bars, in Japan and elsewhere, routinely use frozen fish when fresh is unavailable or more expensive than the market will bear.

"In Japan," Mr. Kawauchi said, "50 percent of the sushi and sashimi is frozen. Only my American customers are so concerned with fresh fish."

Americans have clearly overcome the initial resistance that greeted sushi when it was widely introduced nationally in the 1980's. The number of Japanese restaurants across the country has steadily increased in the past five years, according to the National Restaurant Association. And that number does not include the supermarkets, delis, cafeterias, and Costco stores where sushi can now be purchased.

A.F.C. Sushi, a Los Angeles-based sushi franchiser, has more than 1,800 outlets nationwide. It already supplies the Staples Center, in Los Angeles; Florida State University, in Tallahassee, Fla.; and the United States military, which buys sushi for its commissaries. Although the company's Web site refers to "fresh sushi," A.F.C. uses only frozen fish in its products.

According to wholesalers like Dave Rudie, a pioneering sushi supplier in California who sells both fresh and frozen fish, more and more frozen fish is being served as sushi here.

Mr. Rudie said that worldwide, some sushi products are virtually always frozen. "Ninety percent of shrimp, of course," he said, The salmon roe "and octopus, 99 percent. And you definitely want all your salmon frozen, because of parasites."

The Food and Drug Administration does not enforce the frozen-fish rule, leaving that to local health officials. The agency says sushi fish can be frozen either by the wholesaler or in the restaurant, and each party likes to believe that the other is taking care of it.

"I always assumed that the fish is frozen at some point before I get it," said Jack Lamb, owner of Jewel Bako in the East Village in Manhattan, "but just for a minute, like an X-ray."

Ian MacGregor, whose wholesale business, Lobster Place, supplies the sushi hot spot Geisha, in Midtown Manhattan, said he had heard countless euphemisms for frozen fish in restaurants. "Fresh-frozen, re-freshed, flash-chilled, take your pick," he said. "It's all frozen."

But "superfrozen" fish seems to be in a category by itself. Many top sushi chefs are finding that fish frozen to about 70 degrees below zero, instead of the commercial standard, usually 10 below, can stand up to their rigorous standards.

Tuna, one of the most expensive sushi fish in the world, has been the test market for superfreezing.

Freezing technology that truly preserves the quality of fresh fish is relatively new, said Eric Graham, operations specialist for ColdWave Systems, a global seafood shipper. Developed by the Japanese fishing industry in the 1990's to preserve the catch on long trips, superfreezing can reduce the core temperature of a 500-pound tuna to minus 70 degrees in about a day and a half. Packed in artificial snow ground from dry ice and surrounded by liquid nitrogen, that fish can be be preserved with no decomposition for as long as two years.

"It's an amazing product," said Mr. Lamb, who recently bought a medical freezer, designed to store transplant organs, to keep tuna in his restaurant's basement.

But in places like Los Angeles, where the Japanese Restaurant Association of Southern California has considerable local support, frozen sushi is not a popular notion.

"We try to recognize that sushi has been made with fresh fish in Japan for thousands of years," said Terrance Powell, chief environmental health specialist for Los Angeles County. Mr. Powell and his team of 150 inspectors have held food safety classes for sushi restaurant operators in Japanese, Korean, Thai and Vietnamese, but he concedes that most operators, knowingly or not, are probably not serving only frozen fish.

"Frankly," he said, "warm sushi rice that sits out for hours is a bigger public health threat than raw fish."
 
I dunno man I live in the bay area :)

Seriously, if they can't tell you if it is sashimi grade, don't buy it. It isn't just that it 'might not be ok' but also it just won't taste as good.
 
Thanks for the article , seems like good quality frozen fish may be used for my sushi , i guess pop's and mom's sushi joints in Chicago area most likely use the same stores .
 
You could always try to find yourself a Japanese supermarket i.e. Mitsuwa. Those usually carry sushi grade fish. Not to mention they are cut up into nice little blocks for you.
 
NOW HEAR THIS:

Don't buy fish in a grocery store.

That is all.

Doc.
 
The best meat comes from the butcher and the best fish comes from your local fishmonger. I have found that if you ask some fishmongers will order in sushi grade fish for you.

Devil Doc is right - only exception is where a sushi place rents out space in the grocery store.

However some older fish people still don't belive in sushi , funny they also order their burger rare

NOW HEAR THIS:

Don't buy fish in a grocery store.

That is all.

Doc.
 
The tuna I eat may have been frozen at one point... but I don't care. It's delicious. :love:
 
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