The price is always to do with the quality of cigars?

[Andros]

Lately I am buying cigars exclusively produced in the earth (La Palma), directly from factory. Sometimes loose, with or without rings, other tablets, but never in the box as they increase the product and how I live pretty close ...
I have read in forums, I heard a learned, some think that the best snuff is produced in Cuba, others not, others that although the best produced in Cuba this goes off the island sold raw to developed elsewhere , a long etc..

My humble opinion, under a short or long experience (for me will always be short), is that you must try everything to say. These letters may be able to serve everyone, but neither intend to change anyone's ideas.

Well, after several months alternating with cigars cigars Islands (specifically manufactured in La Palma which is where more is produced), they could indicate the following:

1- And most important. In the islands and not grown enough to snuff out the industry forward, so that the branches are the best buy in global markets and brought to La Palma to mix with the little that here is grown here.

2- I'd say the quality is the same or nearly the same in my opinion. Here is twisted like alli, layer terminations are excellent both in one place or another. The forces of similar pure types mild, medium and strong. You can get to find plenty of brands here.

3- The quality must be paid, but not all sites have the same price. Sometimes we look at a cigar is worth 12 € approx, and we see another who is 4 € and our subcosciente makes us think that the former must be much better, sure?.

I could go deeper into the subject, but I will let your opinion and discuss the matter.

A happy greeting and smoked.

 

[MoeCizlak]

I've heard some great things about cigars from La Palma.

 

[souldog]

Help me out Andros, we discussing the quality of cigars, or snuff??


In my opinion, price doesn't always have to do with the quality of cigars. Many times, I have found good cigars at low prices, but sometimes you get what you pay for. Don't buy a $2 White Owl Grape expecting to have the same taste as an Opus X, but it is all your preferences and how much you want to pay.

 

[tone-ny]

Now I'm confused! :0

Didn't you have a similar thread to this one?

What are you trying to get at? I know English is not your primary language, but you've got to work with us.

En otras palabras que es lo que estas diciendo?

 

[insight]

Dude we went to bat for you, I hope you don't keep shilling La Palmas.

 

[DirtyDave]

I don't think price is always an indicator of quality, but usually higher quality costs more. I've never tried anything from La Palma, but I might have to sometime. Smoke what you like and like what you smoke, regardless of price.

 

[JayBay]

Andros -

The question was posed above by Jonathan because your English is a little rough. So allow me to help you a little.

Snuff is a ground or pulverized tobacco, which is generally inhaled or "snuffed" through the nose. It is a type of smokeless tobacco. If I understand you correctly, you are asking about Cigars. So when you use the term "snuff", we get confused.

Now, having said all that - let's move on to your question. If I understand you correctly, you'd like to know if there is direct correlation between price and quality.

There are many variables in the answer - and I do not know them all. However, I'll answer based on my limited knowledge.

The cheapest cigars are not handmade, but machine made. Most of these use "sandwich blends" or "mixed fillers" as opposed to "long fillers". This means sandwich and mixed cigars are made up of little pieces and trimmings inside. My experience has been that all those little pieces create more burning edges, which creates a hotter burn - which has a negative effect on the flavor. Long filler cigars have pieces of tobacco that go all the way from head to foot. These burn cooler, and more consistently.

There are certainly inexpensive long filler cigars, and many of these are also poor quality. The tobacco is often not cured and fermented properly, resulting in a poor quality leaf. These inexpensive cigars are often rolled by less experienced rollers, which often results in soft spots in the cigar or spots that are too tight - both of which can create a cigar that burns and/or draws poorly. More expensive cigars generally will be made my the most experienced rollers, using tobacco scrutinized with the highest levels of quality control - resulting in cigars that are consistently better.

Now - note that I used words like "generally" and "often", and not words like "always". This is because we are talking about a plant, and by nature each leaf is different. Therefore - no two cigars are ever exactly alike.

I have had some expensive cigars that I didn't like, and some cheap cigars that I absolutely adored. That, to me, is one of the things that makes this hobby so great; the quest.

 

[Stoggie13]

Since he's using a translator, when he puts the word tobacco in Spanish it comes out as snuff in English. So in context, " I heard a learned, some think that the best snuff is produced in Cuba," he means tobacco.

 

[Andros]

Buenas tardes,

esto es lo que quiero decir en español, si alguien es tan amable de traducirlo, ya que el traductor de google hace desastres.
Yo tengo mi opinion, que es que no siempre pagamos por la calidad que nos ofrecen.

Tiene siempre el precio que ver con la calidad de los puros o habanos?

Ultimamente estoy comprando puros esclusivamente fabricados en donde vivo, directamente en fabrica. Unas veces sueltos, con o sin anillas, otras en tabletas, pero nunca en caja ya que encarecen el producto bastante y como vivo cerca...
He leido en foros, he oido hablar a entendidos, unos opinan que el mejor tabaco se produce en Cuba, otros que no, otros que si bien el mejor se produce en Cuba este sale vendido fuera de la isla en rama para elaborarlo en otros paises, un largo etc.

Mi modesta opinion, bajo una corta o larga esperiencia (para mi siempre sera corta), es que hay que probar de todo para opinar. Estas letras quiza puedan servir a todo el mundo, aunque tampoco pretendo cambiar las ideas de nadie.

Bueno, pues despues de alternar durante varios meses habanos con puros de Canarias (concretamente elaborados en La Palma que es donde mas se produce), les podria indicar lo siguiente:

1º Y mas importante. En las islas ya no se cultiva el suficiente tabaco para poder sacar la industria adelante, por lo que las ramas se compran en los mejores mercados mundiales y se traen a La Palma para mezclarlas con lo poco que aqui se cultiva.

2º Diria que la calidad es la misma o casi la misma a mi entender. Se tuerce aqui igual que alli, las terminaciones en capa son excelentes tanto en un sitio como en otro. Las fuerzas de los puros similares en los tipos suave, medio y fuerte. Se puede llegar a encontrar aqui infinidad de marcas al igual que en Cuba.

3º La calidad hay que pagarla, pero no en todos los sitios tiene el mismo precio. A veces miramos un Robusto que vale 12€ aprox, y vemos otro que vale 4€ y nuestro subcosciente nos hace pensar que el Robusto primero debe ser mucho mejor.

Podria seguir profundizando en el tema, pero les voy a dejar que opinen ustedes y debatamos el asunto.

Un saludo y felices fumadas.

 

[JayBay]

AAAahhhhh....yyeeaaahhh.....I'm gonna need you to come in on Saatturrrday....

 

[Macion Grey]

I would suggest that on a forum that uses English as it's primary language, that you post in English. I know that might sound radical, but give it a shot.

 

[Andros]

That's not radical, it is rather discriminatory


Eso no es ser radical, es mas bien discriminatorio


Greetings

 

[gtadroptop]

Okay, I'll bite.

How is it discriminatory to request community members to post in English on a site that is overwhelmingly made up of English speaking members?

 

[BlindedByScience]

It's not discriminatory, it's called common courtesy. Posting here isn't a requirement, it's a choice. Being courteous to the membership should be important to you. It would be as if I began posting in English on Spanish speaking forums. If posting in English seems discriminatory to you, perhaps you'd be more comfortable in posting on forums where Spanish is the language of the majority.

In fact, on several other forums I frequent, posting in English is a requirement. I know for a fact that those forums have heavy international membership and no one thinks anything of the requirement. In fact, I've seen folks get banned for not following that particular rule. I'd like to see that become a rule here, as well.

Of course, if your real intent is to advertise and promote La Palma cigars, I can see where posting in your own country in your native language wouldn't be as advantageous as posting here.

JMHO - B.B.S.

 

[Andros]

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......... I know that might sound radical, but give it a shot.

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Esto es discriminatorio y mas descortes aun

This is discriminatory and even more rude

 

[tone-ny]

Andros an English based cigar forum is just that!

No, it is not rude to point it out. Maybe not the politest way but all the same correct.

Ingles es para este lugar y solamente ingles!

 

[Andros]

Okay, I'll bite.

How is it discriminatory to request community members to post in English on a site that is overwhelmingly made up of English speaking members?

No, I do not bite or break Cumbre Vieja
Sorry I hope excuse me, do not speak English and I have to use the google translator. Some colleagues and I agreed.

Greetings

 

[BlindedByScience]

Sorry I hope excuse me, do not speak English and I have to use the google translator.Greetings

I ask again - if you don't speak English, why are you so intent on posting on an English cigar board...??

Calling members "rude" for asking you to speak in the native language of the forums won't endear you to the membership. Quite the contrary, actually.

Of course, if your real intent is to advertise and promote La Palmacigars, I can see where posting in your own country in your native language wouldn't be as advantageous as posting here.

 

[Andros]

Andros an English based cigar forum is just that!

No, it is not rude to point it out. Maybe not the politest way but all the same correct.

Ingles es para este lugar y solamente ingles!

Sorry I hope excuse me, do not speak English and I have to use the google translator. Some colleagues and I agreed.

Greetings

Sorry I hope excuse me, do not speak English and I have to use the google translator.Greetings

I ask again - if you don't speak English, why are you so intent on posting on an English cigar board...??

Calling members "rude" for asking you to speak in the native language of the forums won't endear you to the membership. Quite the contrary, actually.

Of course, if your real intent is to advertise and promote La Palmacigars, I can see where posting in your own country in your native language wouldn't be as advantageous as posting here.

This question and we discussed days ago, there was a misunderstanding, I will not promote anything. I only say that the cigars are made in LA PALMA are good, nothing more.


I want to be part of this forum, but should use the Google translator, I want to try cigarettes worldwide.
This is already clarified ROD.

A greeting


Esta cuestion ya la hemos discutido dias atras, hubo un malentendido, yo NO quiero promocionar nada. Solo digo que los cigarros que se elaboran en LA PALMA son buenos, nada mas.


Quiero formar parte de este foro, aunque deba usar el traductor de Google, quiero probar cigarros de todo el mundo.
Esto ya esta aclarado con ROD.

Un saludo


Antonio

 

[gtadroptop]

Okay, I'll bite.

How is it discriminatory to request community members to post in English on a site that is overwhelmingly made up of English speaking members?

No, I do not bite or break Cumbre Vieja
Sorry I hope excuse me, do not speak English and I have to use the google translator. Some colleagues and I agreed.

Greetings

Granted that American slang phrases may not translate well, but my question remains unanswered.

'How is it discriminatory to request community members to post in English on a site that is overwhelmingly made up of English speaking members?'