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Unemployment legal advice...

I was terminated from Citibank many moons ago over "falsifying information" on my appilcation. I forgot to put a job down that I worked for thre days (convention services), and was terminated for it....maybe she forgot to put something down in her work history.

Secondly..every claim gets denied the first time, appeals are part of the game.
 
SweetMelissa said:
Allofus123 said:
First and foremost, you are using terms like When "THEY" let me go.... who is "They"? Head of a HR department? A person? You're skirting the question as to "Why" you were let go with "What you were told". Two different things.

A charge of falsifyiing documents is a very serious accusation and I'd be crawling up someones azz making an accusation like that about me if I knew I never EVER EVER falsified anything with this company. Doubting that you are in the right here usually means there's more to the story. This isn't cloak and dagger stuff... you're either right or you're wrong. The employer will need to prove this charge.

Did you fidge a little on your original employment application?
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The they i am referring to is the company. And no, I didnt fidge a thing. If i had been let go for falsifying anything, why would i have pursued any sort of unemployment? I would have for sure been denied and no telling what else. So, do I think that they are wrong for what they (the company) are doing? Yes, cause I never lied about a thing, to them or to the Unemployment Agencies. So, all I can do is tell my side to the committee and hope it turns out right. And as for why they let me go? I really have no idea since I did what they asked of me everytime, even in the months before when they shuttled me around to other departments under the disguise of "cross-training". I can only "go" by what I was told.
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There are some things you can do that will immediately disqualify you from unemployment (theft, fraud, etc.). There are other things that would immediately qualify you for unemployment (restructuring, downsizing, etc.) The crux of what you're asking lies totally in the reasons for your separation. I think it's a fair question for anyone to give an honest answer and assist you in your quest. Otherwise, everything that is said is pure speculation, and may or may not apply to your situation.

Mel - you gotta let us know what happened if you want a truly honest, insightful and useful answer. I think there are plenty in this community that may be able to help you if they know a bit more...
 
Matty_Vegas said:
I was terminated from Citibank many moons ago over "falsifying information" on my appilcation. I forgot to put a job down that I worked for thre days (convention services), and was terminated for it....maybe she forgot to put something down in her work history.

Secondly..every claim gets denied the first time, appeals are part of the game.
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Strange, Matty - I'm not doubting you, but I wonder how they found out about the job you only worked 3 days. Backgrounds I've seen done (and I've seen some pretty rigorous background investigations) only verify the information contained on the application rather than information not contained on the application (unless it maybe involved some law enforcement intercession). They're looking for material mispresentations, rather than omissions. Generally, being terminated after 3 days on a menial job and not listing on a job application would not be considered earth shattering or "fraud".

As far as "every claim gets denied the first time" - I know that to be mis-information. I won't disagree that it is in the employers best interest to fight the claim (because it does bear a significant cost) - and it may be true of a single employer. But you really can't paint that picture with a broad brush. Most employers know the parameters of challenging a claim at the unemployment office (what they can challenge, and what they can't). It really doesn't benefit them to challenge every claim - as a matter of fact, I'd contend it actually would be more damaging for them to adopt that practice.

You really gotta be careful what you say - especially if it's not true. Mel may be banking on what you say and it could raise a false sense of hope... ;)
 
There's something fishy goin' on and Melissa's reluctance to be more forthcoming is making my imagination run wild.


Doc.
 
I'm not being reluctant, I just have no information than what I gave you and what I was told. I have a phone hearing on March 1 I found out after lunch. So, I guess if you think something fishy is going on, speculate away. Guess those of you who know me here know I wouldnt purposely hold back anything if I had it to share. When it's all over I'll let you know what happens. Guess we can close this thread maybe til after everything happens.

Melly
 
SweetMelissa said:
I'm not being reluctant, I just have no information than what I gave you and what I was told. I have a phone hearing on March 1 I found out after lunch. So, I guess if you think something fishy is going on, speculate away. Guess those of you who know me here know I wouldnt purposely hold back anything if I had it to share. When it's all over I'll let you know what happens. Guess we can close this thread maybe til after everything happens.

Melly
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So they just moved you around from area to area, for the purpose of "cross-training", and then they just kinda kicked the carpet, hands in their pockets shrugging their shoulders saying, "Melissa - why don't you head home and we'll call you when you need you..." And then you never got the call?

.. .or was it more like they called you into a meeting room and delivered a message like, "we're going to have to let you go because <insert the reason>..."

...of course it could be like showing up for work one day and the key didn't work in the door - and some high pitched voice behind the door cried out, "Who is it? There's nobody home - We're doing the dishes. Come back later..."

I don't mean to be sarcastic - but there just seems to be some dots missing that need to be connected to make a picture. You got any more of those dots???
 
Guess not, ya got me, i was being vague and inconsistent on purpose. I tell ya what, I wont bother with this anymore, and if anything comes of it as of March 1 I will let everyone know. Yes I was cross trained, and you know? I am not the only person who had been with this company for a length of time who was let go. I don't know why THEY were let go and do not know the reasons given. And when they finally decided to let me go, they did it at the end of the day, with a final check, and a sorry but we decided to let you go because we want to go in a different direction with the company. Now, if this is missing any dots, fine, I didn't really mean to start a shyte storm. I didnt mean to make you all think that I am purposely trying to leave out parts of a puzzle when some of the pieces make no sense to me. So, I am asking to let it die for now. Let me get through the next week and a half without those here whom i have come to really care about decide I am guilty anyway. Just let this thread go for now. I feel crappy enough. You want truth? There ya go. Thanks again.

Melly
 
Decided you are guilty? WTF? :(

Maybe advice was not what you wanted?
 
Nice to see everyone can let it go when asked.

I will throw my $0.02 in, what the hell, everyone else is. I have been on both sides of the equation, most recently now from the Supervisors point of view. I have been laid off before, and whether it is done by HR, or by your direct supervisor, it doesn't mean they are going to give you a written reason why, and it could come back to bite you in the ass. I have been there!

From the management perspective, when I have to lay someone off, it is done with our HR department involved, and they, or the individual is given a written reason why they are being laid off, signed by both parties. That covers our ass's and it covers the former employee's ass. Usually, if the employee is "hiding" or "falsifying" something, and that is why they are loosing their job, they will not get laid off, they will be fired. And that forgoes any Un-Employment compensation whatsoever.

Of course, not every company out there is going to process things like we do, and that is unfortunate, and can lead to issues like this.

Any way, just my $0.02...

Good luck with everything Melly
 
Here we go.....

You're quite the spokesperson around here lately...... since your post says "everyone" I'll take it you were not talking to me specifically. Feel free to admend your previous post if you care to direct it to me specifically.
 
Allofus123 said:
Here we go.....

You're quite the spokesperson around here lately...... since your post says "everyone" I'll take it you were not talking to me specifically. Feel free to ad mend your previous post if you care to direct it to me specifically.
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PM sent and it was amended. It was not directed to you personally.

Bill
 
As an FYI and the reason I hate the edit button...... xranger amended his post above which originally stated " Nice to see everyone can let it go when asked" only. My response above was directed specifically to the one and only sentence in the original post.
 
Your right, it was. And it was probably short sighted of me to write it. I will not remove it, as I was already editing the post when you replyed to mine, and everyone now knows that that sentence was the original post.

Sorry if you took it offensively, I am sure I would have as well, and I dont blame you for taking it that way. Honestly, I was not looking to start anything with you.

Bill
 
SweetMelissa said:
I got a letter from the State of Alabama Industrial Relations Appeals board stating that my former employer was appealing my claim for unemployment. They stated that the reason for the appeal was due to : Discharged for Falsifying Information
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SweetMelissa said:
Guess not, ya got me, i was being vague and inconsistent on purpose. I tell ya what, I wont bother with this anymore, and if anything comes of it as of March 1 I will let everyone know. Yes I was cross trained, and you know? I am not the only person who had been with this company for a length of time who was let go. I don't know why THEY were let go and do not know the reasons given. And when they finally decided to let me go, they did it at the end of the day, with a final check, and a sorry but we decided to let you go because we want to go in a different direction with the company. Now, if this is missing any dots, fine, I didn't really mean to start a shyte storm. I didnt mean to make you all think that I am purposely trying to leave out parts of a puzzle when some of the pieces make no sense to me. So, I am asking to let it die for now. Let me get through the next week and a half without those here whom i have come to really care about decide I am guilty anyway. Just let this thread go for now. I feel crappy enough. You want truth? There ya go. Thanks again.

Melly
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No, but this is quite a bit more information than when you first ask for advice. And there's some nuggets of good information here...

Based upon the reasons they gave you ("...sorry but we decided to let you go because we want to go in a different direction with the company...") gives pause to think there is something strange about them saying now it was for "Falsifying Information". Certainly, when you have your hearing you're going to learn why you "falsified information". If you didn't falsify any information, you've got nothing to worry about. If you embelished anything in your role, or your application (education, experience, etc.) - you probably have something to worry about, depending on what was embelished and how much it drove the decision to hire you (i.e. - telling them you had a doctorate, when you only had a GED)...

It is costly to maintain you on unemployment, so this could be a ploy to saving them some money. Or, it could be someone's perception of what they saw in your employment or application.

Either way - good luck!!! :thumbs:
 
Well damn. If your resume was anything like your profile they probably let you go for being the biggest MOOCH ever.

Congrats on the new job.

NA
 
SamClemmons said:
Well damn. If your resume was anything like your profile they probably let you go for being the biggest MOOCH ever.

Congrats on the new job.

NA
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Neal, I am not sure if this was meant for me. Maybe I am being blonde and not seeing the fact that it really *was* intended for me...regardless, I was parusing my profile and making sure there were things in there that didn't seem "mooch-like". Now, if I am being paranoid, I apologize to EVERYONE for this post and apologize for taking up bandwidth. And if Neal was talking about another CP member, then I also pardon myself for speaking out of turn. But, just in case it was meant for me (since the way this thread as evolved it is hard to keep up), just let me know how i have been a mooch lately, and i will take notes on how to correct it. Thank you Neal for your input. It is nice to see you post a little more.

Melly
 
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