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Kingantz

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Response from vendor when I sent in the below:

"This is not mold, mold is never white or gray.
This can simply be wiped off."

From everything I've read in other posts on this subject as well as other areas online, I'm fairly positive this is mold, however I wanted opinions to these specific pics as to "yes, this is mold" or "no, this is plume". Thanks for the help!

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Mizzie to the izzie bro. Sorry.

"This is not mold, mold is never white or gray.
This can simply be wiped off."
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Always my favorite response.
 
Mold grows, plume/bloom is the drying and concentration of oils and results in crystals. That my friend is mold, you can tell by the destinctive. . . mold. . . growing on the cigars. Great picture of the . . ."plume". . . blessing the other cigars and growing between them!

Nick
 
After a very nice letter back to the vendor, my phone rings and guess who. It's the vendor themselves! The guy on the phone adimantly "debated" with me that this was not mold, but plume. From the very lengthy (and somewhat heated) conversation, it seems that many customers receive the same thing and are happy with it (they just wipe them off). I just didn't know what else to say to the guy.

After all was said and done, I'm getting a full refund AND get to keep the box of moldy smokes. So, they did come through, just hate to have had to put my foot down like I did. ;)
 
Send him the link bro, tell him to read up in his spare time.
 
I think a FREE, moldy smoke should taste pretty darn good... Wipe them off and smoke'em!

Regards,

BT
 
Kingantz said:
Response from vendor when I sent in the below:

"This is not mold, mold is never white or gray.
This can simply be wiped off."

From everything I've read in other posts on this subject as well as other areas online, I'm fairly positive this is mold, however I wanted opinions to these specific pics as to "yes, this is mold" or "no, this is plume". Thanks for the help!
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Moldy McSporesalot.
 
Just got the below quotes in yet another email...

Hi Greg,

I quote from Rudman´s complete guide to cigars fourth edition page 379

Mould has a blueish tint and will mark the wrapper. It can also be removed like plume, but is a sign that your cigars are being stored in a too hot/andor humid conditions. If you allow mould to remain and do not reduce the humidity in which your cigars are stored, the cigars will begin to smell musty thus seriously affecting your smoking enjoyment.
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If you wipe off what you have you will find no marks

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Page 381
Plume sometimes cigars develop a plume, also called bloom. This is a whitish dust on the surface of the wrapper and arises from the crystalization of oils in the cigar tobacco. Plume which can evolve over a long period in the dark, moist confines of a humidor, is not harmful and can be brushed off with a soft brush, a dry tissue or sponge. Some smoker even believe it is beneficial o a cigar´s taste.
 
Kingantz said:
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Plume sometimes cigars develop a plume, also called bloom. This is a whitish dust on the surface of the wrapper and arises from the crystalization of oils in the cigar tobacco. Plume which can evolve over a long period in the dark, moist confines of a humidor, is not harmful and can be brushed off with a soft brush, a dry tissue or sponge. Some smoker even believe it is beneficial o a cigar´s taste.
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While that's true, the above pictures don't show it as being a whitish dust. Bloom doesn't exist in patches, like mold.

They are wrong.
 
Kingantz said:
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Plume sometimes cigars develop a plume, also called bloom. This is a whitish dust on the surface of the wrapper and arises from the crystalization of oils in the cigar tobacco. Plume which can evolve over a long period in the dark, moist confines of a humidor, is not harmful and can be brushed off with a soft brush, a dry tissue or sponge. Some smoker even believe it is beneficial o a cigar´s taste.
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Crystalization, as in resulting in crystals. See the link to Moki's website, and note the crystalline appearance of the plume. Also note that it is uniform over the cigar. Mold, on the other hand, is fuzzy, not "dust" or "crystal," and grows in patches. Also, mold can be any color.
 
This vendors lack of knowledge on which he makes his living is baffling to me.
 
Good to hear this got resolved, Greg, even if it did take a "heated" phone call.

BahamaTom said:
I think a FREE, moldy smoke should taste pretty darn good... Wipe them off and smoke'em!

Regards,

BT
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While I agree that almost no smoke tastes better than a free smoke, I for one just cannot smoke cigars that have molded. I've tried; once they sprout mold, especially if it's on the foot, I just can't go there. It tastes like smoking old gym socks to me.....eeeccchhh. I hear lots of guys say "....wipe 'em off and smoke 'em..." but I just can't. Not enjoyable, at least to my palate.

YMMV.......B.B.S.
 
BlindedByScience said:
I for one just cannot smoke cigars that have molded. I've tried; once they sprout mold, especially if it's on the foot, I just can't go there. It tastes like smoking old gym socks to me.
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So you're saying you can identify a "mold" taste to cigars, eh?? Don't let Moki get wind of this... that'd be an ugly blind taste test... :(
 
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