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i love both cigars mentioned. i've been lucky enough to recieve them in trades or in a bomb. i wish i could keep a box of each on hand.
i really don't think i've had a bad torano or cao yet!
i love the pi's. except for nacionales i got from jr's. some in the box was good and some weren't.
but i very much like the rest of the line. especially the maxima reserva.
i work in a warehouse and am the only one here at 5am. so i have one every morning with my coffee. some afternoons if it's not busy i go outside and burn another. and then on the weekends whenever i'm going to spend any length of time outside i have a gar.
that's why i stock up on the cheapie...