Cigar girls...

[ricmac25]

Emo, bro, I think you are TOTALLY missing George's point. He said why he said what he said. There is nothing to read into. He did not say Cheekie was a bitch. There is a definite communication problem here.

 

[emodx]

Cheekie..... You are taking this way out of context. That term is used alot on this BB to identify people who post here just to say "look at me".... there is nothing about it that is sexual.

You are acting like one of the other newbies who come in here and want everything change to suit them....

Wether you like it or not this BB is 99.9% men and things will be said that you do not like..... don't take it as personal attack.

Instead of getting all pissed off about the "Attention Whore" title.... why don't you say to yourself.... "Why did he use that towards me?"

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Perhaps you should have taken this approach a few posts back. The point is this, in other threads, she has said she doesn't take kindly to "whore", weather in "attention whore", or "post whore".

Emo

 

[Cheekie]

Cheekie..... You are taking this way out of context. That term is used alot on this BB to identify people who post here just to say "look at me".... there is nothing about it that is sexual.

You are acting like one of the other newbies who come in here and want everything change to suit them....

Wether you like it or not this BB is 99.9% men and things will be said that you do not like..... don't take it as personal attack.

Instead of getting all pissed off about the "Attention Whore" title.... why don't you say to yourself.... "Why did he use that towards me?"

[snapback]276535[/snapback]​

I am glad that you took the time to respond, and that being said I am done with the topic. I understand your point of view as to why it is ok but, lets consider that you said something that was not called for. You could have answered the question or topic, but there was no need to call me anything, even if you don't agree with me find another way to express your disdain to my posts, better yet don't read em, put em on iggy-

and to answer your rhetorical : let's ask why is it OK for anyonte to use that term towards someone else. Hell you want to call yourself that have at it, don't call me that. ( period )

 

[PTownshend]

There's no cigar :whistling:

Believe me, you don't want to know where his "cigar" is! :0

Darren

 

[emodx]

Emo, bro, I think you are TOTALLY missing George's point. He said why he said what he said. There is nothing to read into. He did not say Cheekie was a bitch. There is a definite communication problem here.

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You could be right. But what point is behind the bitch question? He can call someone something, watch for the reaction, then try and play the words to look innocent, when instead it was as simple as putting his meaning in the original post. This is done all the time. Peopla are called on it all the time.

Emo

 

[PTownshend]

What album is that?....it must be a reissue 'cause I have the original early ones.



Its a Japanese compilation of the Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac.

Darren

 

[SamClemmons]

In my opinion... I think the monikers certainly fit. "Attention whore" and "look at me queen" fit her to a tee.
As far as her getting all offended, well, get over it. This is a mens club so you pretty much have to deal with it. Dozens of members have been accused of being "attention whores" and "look at me queens" over the years and I can't remember one of them being offended by the fact that we might think they are actually "whores". This whole thing is ridiculous and patently disingenous.

NA

 

[emodx]

There's no cigar :whistling:

Believe me, you don't want to know where his "cigar" is! :0

Darren

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That's a him? ??? LMAO Ray just wants to puff on her cigar. LOL

 

[ggiese]

I'm really grasping to understand this puritan attitude in one sense, and then a truck driver mentality in another. Clearly you are using words out of context to further your argument - such as the "whore" word - shifting the focus of the argument away from the original intent.

Now you're saying "don't call me a 'bitch', because that's offensive to me under certain circumstances", but "I am not the girl next door; I am the bitch down the street ...." is under your avatar photo...

Cheekie - you're going to have to choose a path and stick with it. You're either going to have to be a puritan, and we're just going to have to watch our mouths. Or you have a rough and tumble mentality and you're going to have to put up with ball busting. I don't see how you can have it both ways...

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LMAO, calling someone a bitch, or tiptoeing the line behind semantics is interesting. So you call her another name(implied by the post), but hide behind semantics? How about you stand behind what you say Mister.

Emo

BTW, off topic, this is why self policing doesn't work. This went from a simple diasagreement, to people purposely "sh!t talking".

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I really don't see this as an exercise in self policing - this is more of a discussion of what it right and proper with situations like Cheekie. You've even made a good point earlier on, Emo, when you pointed out that woman come and go on this board. Maybe it's because of the locker room mentality (rudness, language, photos, etc). Maybe it's because the woman didn't find interest in discussing cigars. Maybe it was because they lost interest... Who knows? But if we intend on attracting woman to the site (and maybe we don't want to), these discussions need to be had.

The question out there right now, as I see it, is do we treat Cheekie the same as the other members, or do we make accomodations for her. And if we make accomodations, what is acceptable. Calling her a "bitch" under certain circumstances is okay, but no at other times? Or certain people have the privilege of calling her a bitch, but not every one. I really am looking for enlightenment on these issues. It really does matter.

And we've been using the "attention whore" tag quite a bit for various members in the past. Maybe we need to rethink using it under certain circumstances? And what circumstances might that be?

I think you two are reading WAY too much into what's being said. I don't think anyone's been disrespectful in these discussions. There have been some blunt things said, but it is all in the interest of dialog as far as I can see.

 

[emodx]

In my opinion... I think the monikers certainly fit. "Attention whore" and "look at me queen" fit her to a tee.
As far as her getting all offended, well, get over it. This is a mens club so you pretty much have to deal with it. Dozens of members have been accused of being "attention whores" and "look at me queens" over the years and I can't remember one of them being offended by the fact that we might think they are actually "whores". This whole thing is ridiculous and patently disingenous.

NA

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Agreed that it is a mens club. Agreed on get over it. But it isnt disingenuous. Her original question was just as genuine as the pop shots taken at her.

Emo

 

[stevehawk]

<snip>

If a " brother" lost his way would you not use reason to enlighten? Why pick up the nearest stone if it is a sister?

<snip>

It seems that the minute a "lil woman" has a word to say about anything that isn't in Agreement there is an uproar. :0

<snip>

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I'm not sure your "brother" vs "sister" argument has merit. If you've been reading threads on this boards for any length of time (other than your own) then you would know that:

1. Reason is rarely used to enlighten the way of a newbie who has lost it.

2. There is a general uproar whenever anyone (male or female) expresses an opinion that is outside of agreed upon norms.

In other words, you're being treated just like the rest of us.

And for the record, I agree with Tommy that you seem to like attention. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what? It's a name that has a unique meaning on this board, and is not meant to imply anything of a sexual nature. As you stated in your post, "this is not the real world at times and thus the real world rules do not apply." This is a good example of that.

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You really come up with this shit and hide behind the good guy moniker? Stir it some why dontcha? And how is asking an honest question outside the norm? The answers are actually outside the norm. After reading your crap for so long, it is obvious to me that you are on the fringe here. Your post had merit, until you said "I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what?" now it is just stirring the pot.

Emo

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Perhaps I was trying too hard, Emo. My post was meant convey 2 ideas:

1. It is naive for one to expect to be treated differently from others here when they post, regardless of gender. (And, as I believe I've made clear on numerous occasions, I don't agree with how folks are often treated.)

and

2. The term "attention whore", as used by Tommy, was not intended to disparage Cheekie in a sexual manner.

 

[emodx]

I'm really grasping to understand this puritan attitude in one sense, and then a truck driver mentality in another.  Clearly you are using words out of context to further your argument - such as the "whore" word - shifting the focus of the argument away from the original intent. 

Now you're saying "don't call me a 'bitch', because that's offensive to me under certain circumstances", but "I am not the girl next door; I am the bitch down the street ...."  is under your avatar photo...

Cheekie - you're going to have to choose a path and stick with it.  You're either going to have to be a puritan, and we're just going to have to watch our mouths.  Or you have a rough and tumble mentality and you're going to have to put up with ball busting.  I don't see how you can have it both ways...

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LMAO, calling someone a bitch, or tiptoeing the line behind semantics is interesting. So you call her another name(implied by the post), but hide behind semantics? How about you stand behind what you say Mister.

Emo

BTW, off topic, this is why self policing doesn't work. This went from a simple diasagreement, to people purposely "sh!t talking".

[snapback]276534[/snapback]​

I really don't see this as an exercise in self policing - this is more of a discussion of what it right and proper with situations like Cheekie. You've even made a good point earlier on, Emo, when you pointed out that woman come and go on this board. Maybe it's because of the locker room mentality (rudness, language, photos, etc). Maybe it's because the woman didn't find interest in discussing cigars. Maybe it was because they lost interest... Who knows? But if we intend on attracting woman to the site (and maybe we don't want to), these discussions need to be had.

The question out there right now, as I see it, is do we treat Cheekie the same as the other members, or do we make accomodations for her. And if we make accomodations, what is acceptable. Calling her a "bitch" under certain circumstances is okay, but no at other times? Or certain people have the privilege of calling her a bitch, but not every one. I really am looking for enlightenment on these issues. It really does matter.

And we've been using the "attention whore" tag quite a bit for various members in the past. Maybe we need to rethink using it under certain circumstances? And what circumstances might that be?

I think you two are reading WAY too much into what's being said. I don't think anyone's been disrespectful in these discussions. There have been some blunt things said, but it is all in the interest of dialog as far as I can see.

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Self policing doesnt work because there is nothing behind it. A couple of times it has been said perhaps this isnt the route to go down. And at that point, instead of people stopping and looking at the bigger picture, it just pokes the fire hotter.
I see your this post and all the valid points.

Emo

 

[ggiese]

Emo, bro, I think you are TOTALLY missing George's point. He said why he said what he said. There is nothing to read into. He did not say Cheekie was a bitch. There is a definite communication problem here.

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You could be right. But what point is behind the bitch question? He can call someone something, watch for the reaction, then try and play the words to look innocent, when instead it was as simple as putting his meaning in the original post. This is done all the time. Peopla are called on it all the time.

Emo

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Emo - you are CLEARLY reading WAY too much into what I said. My rhetorical question of asking Cheekie if she was a "bitch" was intended to spark discussion about what is proper, and what is not. If Cheekie put it under her avatar photo, it is open for discussion. If I asked her that out of the clear blue, without foundation, then I'd agree with you I have a severe tongue lashing coming (or a black eye if I was standing in close proximity to you).

Maybe it's because I've been grilled on the stand in court and asked those kinds of questions regularly that my mind works that way...

 

[KayakinBoy]

:sign:

 

[emodx]

<snip>

If a " brother" lost his way would you not use reason to enlighten? Why pick up the nearest stone if it is a sister?

<snip>

It seems that the minute a "lil woman" has a word to say about anything that isn't in Agreement there is an uproar. :0

<snip>

[snapback]276478[/snapback]​

I'm not sure your "brother" vs "sister" argument has merit. If you've been reading threads on this boards for any length of time (other than your own) then you would know that:

1. Reason is rarely used to enlighten the way of a newbie who has lost it.

2. There is a general uproar whenever anyone (male or female) expresses an opinion that is outside of agreed upon norms.

In other words, you're being treated just like the rest of us.

And for the record, I agree with Tommy that you seem to like attention. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what? It's a name that has a unique meaning on this board, and is not meant to imply anything of a sexual nature. As you stated in your post, "this is not the real world at times and thus the real world rules do not apply." This is a good example of that.

[snapback]276496[/snapback]​

You really come up with this shit and hide behind the good guy moniker? Stir it some why dontcha? And how is asking an honest question outside the norm? The answers are actually outside the norm. After reading your crap for so long, it is obvious to me that you are on the fringe here. Your post had merit, until you said "I personally wouldn't have applied the "Attention Whore" tag, but if I had, so what?" now it is just stirring the pot.

Emo

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Perhaps I was trying too hard, Emo. My post was meant convey 2 ideas:

1. It is naive for one to expect to be treated differently from others here when they post, regardless of gender. (And, as I believe I've made clear on numerous occasions, I don't agree with how folks are often treated.)

and

2. The term "attention whore", as used by Tommy, was not intended to disparage Cheekie in a sexual manner.

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So, by the qute I amde in itallics, you were rally trying to show her the way? It deosn't matter is %99 of the post is a great point. The %1 of "perceived crap" makes the rest of it pointless. Something to consider.

Emo

 

[BkCloud114]

Cheekie..... You are taking this way out of context. That term is used alot on this BB to identify people who post here just to say "look at me".... there is nothing about it that is sexual.

You are acting like one of the other newbies who come in here and want everything change to suit them....

Wether you like it or not this BB is 99.9% men and things will be said that you do not like..... don't take it as personal attack.

Instead of getting all pissed off about the "Attention Whore" title.... why don't you say to yourself.... "Why did he use that towards me?"

[snapback]276535[/snapback]​

I am glad that you took the time to respond, and that being said I am done with the topic. I understand your point of view as to why it is ok but, lets consider that you said something that was not called for. You could have answered the question or topic, but there was no need to call me anything, even if you don't agree with me find another way to express your disdain to my posts, better yet don't read em, put em on iggy-

and to answer your rhetorical : let's ask why is it OK for anyonte to use that term towards someone else. Hell you want to call yourself that have at it, don't call me that. ( period )

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Cheekie..... I believe you are here for one reason and one reason only.... an attempt to become involved in a "hobby" that your boyfriend is involved in. That is very noble of you..... But don't expect us to change just because a woman has walked in......

Would it have better if I called you an "Attention Bitch" because "bitch" is what you have under your Avatar?

 

[emodx]

:sign:

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LMFAO, now that sir is funny!

 

[Hillbilly Steaks]

Would it have better if I called you an "Attention Bitch" because "bitch" is what you have under your Avatar?

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He's got a point... :laugh:

 

[emodx]

Cheekie..... You are taking this way out of context.  That term is used alot on this BB to identify people who post here just to say "look at me".... there is nothing about it that is sexual.

You are acting like one of the other newbies who come in here and want everything change to suit them....

Wether you like it or not this BB is 99.9% men and things will be said that you do not like..... don't take it as personal attack.

Instead of getting all pissed off about the "Attention Whore" title.... why don't you say to yourself.... "Why did he use that towards me?"

[snapback]276535[/snapback]​

I am glad that you took the time to respond, and that being said I am done with the topic. I understand your point of view as to why it is ok but, lets consider that you said something that was not called for. You could have answered the question or topic, but there was no need to call me anything, even if you don't agree with me find another way to express your disdain to my posts, better yet don't read em, put em on iggy-

and to answer your rhetorical : let's ask why is it OK for anyonte to use that term towards someone else. Hell you want to call yourself that have at it, don't call me that. ( period )

[snapback]276541[/snapback]​

Cheekie..... I believe you are here for one reason and one reason only.... an attempt to become involved in a "hobby" that your boyfriend is involved in. That is very noble of you..... But don't expect us to change just because a woman has walked in......

Would it have better if I called you an "Attention Bitch" because "bitch" is what you have under your Avatar?

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It is amazing that you can have a great point, and then find a oneliner to ruin it. Look at my reply to Stevehizawk.

Emo

 

[Cheekie]

I'm really grasping to understand this puritan attitude in one sense, and then a truck driver mentality in another. Clearly you are using words out of context to further your argument - such as the "whore" word - shifting the focus of the argument away from the original intent.

Now you're saying "don't call me a 'bitch', because that's offensive to me under certain circumstances", but "I am not the girl next door; I am the bitch down the street ...." is under your avatar photo...

Cheekie - you're going to have to choose a path and stick with it. You're either going to have to be a puritan, and we're just going to have to watch our mouths. Or you have a rough and tumble mentality and you're going to have to put up with ball busting. I don't see how you can have it both ways...

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again- the argument is name calling and the intent! Being derogatory is wrong-

Find a way to make a viable argument to those two specifics or leave it be and move on. Grasping at understanding makes it seem like it is out of your reach, which I do not think is the case. I could be wrong but hell, I think you fully understand why my attitude towards this is so feverent.