DUI Checkpoints BAD?

[ParaGod]

Okay I read this and I was just dumbfounded. What the hell is going on? When do we stop trying to protect the LEGAL US citizens from drunk drivers, and start protecting ILLEGAL immigrants.

http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,14...2428344,00.html


Here is the follow up.



http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,14...2432116,00.html

 

[Joe]

We should have illegal immigrant checkpoints

 

[Josh]

That is nothing short of outrageous. They don't have right to be here, have no licenses to operate vehicles, and have no insurance. And they are trying not to infringe on their... what? Rights? Pfft.

 

[texasaggie]

We should have illegal immigrant checkpoints

Haha, I agree. If they're illegal, why are they let go? Why arent' they escorted to the local holding cell at the INS office. As long as they don't go after us Listerene users like they seem to be, don't gargle, you might go to jail. The limits in this country are amazing, here in Texas it's 0.08, it's not "drunk" driving they're worried about, it's "decent person having a glass of wine with dinner" driving. It's silly how low the limit is, you can't do anything without going over it. Police officers don't use their discretion anymore, they just haul everyone that even smells like something in, it's rediculous.

 

[cigarsarge]

We have a real problem in Tennessee. I come into contact frequently with them. INS will not act unless you can get em a bus load.

 

[puffnstuff]

That is nothing short of outrageous. They don't have right to be here, have no licenses to operate vehicles, and have no insurance. And they are trying not to infringe on their... what? Rights? Pfft.

I'd agree. no license, no insurance, no driving.
on the other hand, if we want to avoid hypocrisy when we say they shouldn't be here at all, why aren't more of us outraged by the businesses who employ them? that's their incentive to come and stay.
I mean, I assume that's why they're here, for work.
if they're illegal and getting work, then they must be getting it illegally, and those are jobs that can be distributed to legal citizens who need them. yeah, the employers might have to actually pay legal citizens at least minimum wage for the labor, but hey, that's the law too.
it's not that I don't feel for these people (illegals), but I find the double-standard on the part of business to be appalling- "you can't any have rights while you're here illegally, but we want you to stay for your cheap labor so we don't have to pay those pesky legal people minimum wage or more".
in a time where there's been this huge push for "patriotism" (an attitude seemingly being pimped mostly by big business and politicians...one in the same?), I have to wonder why more of us don't insist that big (and sometimes small) American businesses show their "patriotism" by only employing american citizens?
same with the corporations that send jobs overseas. they (the businesses) stay here partly so they can benefit from the bloated tax cuts that the already-wealthy get, but they want to maximize profits by sending jobs overseas for cheap labor (and many time child labor)?
and in some cases, when they're hit with those embarrassingly disproportionate taxes, they move (on paper only, not physically of course) to some island where the taxes can't apply.

so yeah, maybe "they" shouldn't be here, but it seems like simple cause and effect... why specifically are they here in the first place?
it's hard to blame the people for wanting work, and they've got to transport themselves to those jobs they're given. it seems easier to blame the businesses who employ them.

I don't know, maybe it comes down to choosing whether we wanna wrap ourselves in the flag, or if we want our apples picked for pennies.

 

[CoventryCat86]

I agree with the "Latino" spokeman, in fact we should get all cops off the streets period. They should stop drug stings, prostitution stings, etc. right? After all, those activities will "inconvenience" thos poor down-trodden souls as well.

I mean really, it's a gosh darn inconvenience to have to abide by the rules of the land and why should anyone have to obey silly things like laws that require you to have a drivers license and register your cars especially when you don't belong here in the first place.

Yeah, THAT'S IT, disband all law enforcement so no one is inconvenienced and will no longer have to worry about their lives being made miserable by those silly police officers. :lookup:

My first reaction was "only in California"
No offense to you left coasters but even as liberal as we are here in the northeast, I don't think this would have evern been an issue here. At least the Mayor reversed the policy and too freakin' bad about people who break the law and sorry but I have NO SYMPATHY for this BS:

"These checkpoints make people's lives miserable, not make them safer," said Jesus Rodriguez of Oakland Community Organizations, which filed most of the complaints about the checkpoints. "I've watched while the police have towed away cars (full) of groceries, leaving children crying on the sidewalk."

Smarten up Jesus :angry: ya freakin' jacka$$

 

[Treamayne]

here in Texas it's 0.08, it's not "drunk" driving they're worried about, it's "decent person having a glass of wine with dinner" driving

I Wish - Legal limit in Japan (and hence all Military here) is .03 (yes that is a three) and the going "guidance" from HQ is don't drive within 8 hours (yes that's eight) of consuming even a single alcoholic beverage.

So it's "Go, fight and die to kill bad guys, but don't celebrate a job well done and only relax at home - or you'll ruin your career."

As for the idiocy in Oakland.... I can't really add more than what's been said. If they are driving illegally they should be traeted as such - if they are illegally in the US they should be deported. Period.

 

[cigarsarge]

Police officers don't use their discretion anymore, they just haul everyone that even smells like something in, it's rediculous.

I am a law enforcement officer. I do use officer discression but not in a DUI situation. I am not after the person that has some wine with dinner. I know the difference between a glass of wine and drunk.

If I use officer discression on a DUI by letting him go and he kills someone by his actions I have to live with myself. Then I have to live with being sued by the victims family.

I sincerely hope some officer never uses discression on a drunk that crashes into you of someone you love. I hope I'm not the cop that has to work the crash or knock on your door to notify you of a death due to DUI.

I still think you are a great guy texasaggie. I just don't agree with you.

 

[rnccen]

We have DUI check point on a regular basis not to "catch" illegal's but the folks that are DUI. If someone has a warrant out then they will get picked up for that also.

These are designed to protect the public at large, not to single out Latino, Black's, Chinese, etc...

Those that don't like it here then MOVE to a county that does not care what you do.

If you an illegal then do what millions of other folks do...apply for a green card, be a constructive member of society, obey the law's and do your part to make this the best place to live.

just my 2 cents on the issue also.

-P-

 

[surferonthecrystalcoast]

Police officers don't use their discretion anymore, they just haul everyone that even smells like something in, it's rediculous.

I am a law enforcement officer. I do use officer discression but not in a DUI situation. I am not after the person that has some wine with dinner. I know the difference between a glass of wine and drunk.

If I use officer discression on a DUI by letting him go and he kills someone by his actions I have to live with myself. Then I have to live with being sued by the victims family.

I sincerely hope some officer never uses discression on a drunk that crashes into you of someone you love. I hope I'm not the cop that has to work the crash or knock on your door to notify you of a death due to DUI.

I still think you are a great guy texasaggie. I just don't agree with you.

I am also a law enforcement officer and I'm sure Ken will agree with me....It takes a hell of alot more then a few glasses of wine or a mouth full of Listerine to register .08. I agree with you there are alot of cops that are just out to burn people asses. ??? Also with all the classes I've taken on the effects of alcohol (including particpating in a controlled drinking exercises ) there are a hell of alot of people out there that are impaired, drunk, wrecked or whatever you want to call it....without even getting close to blowing the legal limit.

 

[txmatt]

IMHO Drive intoxicated, go to jail, end of story. I have known too many people who were killed by driving after drinking or by a drunk driver.

Something really has to be done about the Left coast and illegal immigrants. I mean its nice to know I can go to the Kohl's parking lot Saturday morning and get a whole work crew for my yard work, but they really are putting a drain on our economy.

Of course a lot of their burden could be fixed by getting rid of the IRS and creating a federal sales tax; alas there are too many liberals for something so logical and simple to become a reality.

BAH!
Matt

 

[CoventryCat86]

there are a hell of alot of people out there that are impaired, drunk, wrecked or whatever you want to call it....without even getting close to blowing the legal limit.

What's always bothered me about the "legal limit" is alcohol affectes everyone differently AND effects the same person differently depending on other factors like if their resistance is down due to an illness. There are days where I can drink quite a bit and barely feel the effects of the alcohol and there are other times where a couple of glasses of wine will knock me on my butt. In both cases, my BAC was the same.

I know people that have no business being on the road if they've had one beer within the last eight hours AND I know people who car drive perfectly with a BAC of 0.24. Sounds crazy but it's true...........

This is where the "officer's discretion" part comes in. Unfortunately it seem over the past ten years, the law enforcement community feels the need to come down on people harder than they used to in the 1980's. Back then, the cops would offer to follow you home if they pulled you over for rolling through a stop sign at ten miles an hour on a back road in the middle of the night and smelled a little alcohol on your breath. Now, you'd be looking at a 120 day license suspension :0 Now, I'm not blaming the cops but rather society's over-reaction to a problem that may or may not be there. Okay sure, if your life is touched by the tragedy of a drunk driver, you are much more likely to be of the mindset "Screw 'em, send 'em ALL TO JAIL" this is where emotion takes over and common sense goes out the window.

 

[surferonthecrystalcoast]

there are a hell of alot of people out there that are impaired, drunk, wrecked or whatever you want to call it....without even getting close to blowing the legal limit.

What's always bothered me about the "legal limit" is alcohol affectes everyone differently AND effects the same person differently depending on other factors like if their resistance is down due to an illness. There are days where I can drink quite a bit and barely feel the effects of the alcohol and there are other times where a couple of glasses of wine will knock me on my butt. In both cases, my BAC was the same.

I know people that have no business being on the road if they've had one beer within the last eight hours AND I know people who car drive perfectly with a BAC of 0.24. Sounds crazy but it's true...........

This is where the "officer's discretion" part comes in. Unfortunately it seem over the past ten years, the law enforcement community feels the need to come down on people harder than they used to in the 1980's. Back then, the cops would offer to follow you home if they pulled you over for rolling through a stop sign at ten miles an hour on a back road in the middle of the night and smelled a little alcohol on your breath. Now, you'd be looking at a 120 day license suspension :0 Now, I'm not blaming the cops but rather society's over-reaction to a problem that may or may not be there. Okay sure, if your life is touched by the tragedy of a drunk driver, you are much more likely to be of the mindset "Screw 'em, send 'em ALL TO JAIL" this is where emotion takes over and common sense goes out the window.

good point Bill.

 

[wam79]

I have no problem with DUI laws. I have seen to many of people injured or killed by drunk drivers. In my state a lot of the accident fatalities involve drunk driving.
I can't think of what to say about the Oakland thing. I don't understand suspending a police policy, ment to help everyone be safer, to "protect" people driving without a license and no insurance. It would seem to me that keeping uninsured, unlicensed drivers off the road is a good thing.


Bill

 

[CoventryCat86]

It would seem to me that keeping uninsured, unlicensed drivers off the road is a good thing.

I don't see how this point can be argued AT ALL but Jesus Ridriguez has his head up his a$$

 

[cigarsarge]

Get a load of this. A new Tennessee law gives the right to drive to ilegals. They give a driving certificate to them. They do not have to produce a social security number or any ID. All they have to do is pass the driving test. What a crock. :angry:

 

[golfgar]

But the checks also have ensnared dozens of illegal immigrants who are not licensed to drive yet otherwise obey the law. Oakland Tribune ."

This is an absurd statement! Illegal immigrants who otherwise obey the law, otherwise... what. They are illegal in the first place......

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[CoventryCat86]

But the checks also have ensnared dozens of illegal immigrants who are not licensed to drive yet otherwise obey the law. Oakland Tribune ."

This is an absurd statement! Illegal immigrants who otherwise obey the law, otherwise... what. They are illegal in the first place......

edited for spelling

Don'tcha just HATE it when you get pulled over for going 75 in a 55 and the cops see the 100 kilos of cocaine on your back seat?

GAWD I hate that :angry:

Otherwise, I was obeying the law, c'mon gimme a break

 

[other1]

What absurd logic they were trying to use here. I'm sure the DUI stops were inconviniencing the drunk drivers too. And I bet when you arrest a murderer he is inconvinienced. And come to think of it, paying my taxes is damn inconvinient.