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Samuel Adams Chocolate Bock

moki

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I've been looking to pick up a bottle of Samuel Adams Chocolate Bock, so I went to our local Beers of the World... man that's an amazing place. A warehouse-style store with nothing but beer from all over the world (hence the name). If they don't have it, it usually doesn't exist.

Well, they had it. Or at least for 3 hours. They were supposed to get 10 cases of it, but because of production issues, they were sent only 1 case. It was gone within 3 hours.

Now, I'm reduced to bidding on ebay like a swine. Oh well. :) So who has had it? Any thoughts/comments?

from: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/food_d...ts/03588974.asp

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Samuel Adams Chocolate Bock
Love in a bottle
BY MIKE MILIARD

This Valentine’s Day, forget the Whitman’s Sampler. The ever-adventurous folks at Sam Adams have gone one better, coming up with a confectionary concoction that infuses the robust, dark complexity of a bock with the luscious, semisweet-chocolate aromatics of cocoa beans. Few beers are better suited to soothe your soul on a chilly night of swirling wind and snow.

The bock style is ideal for this time of year — a big, warming beer with a gorgeous ruby-brown complexion. It was developed centuries ago by Bavarian monks to sustain them through abstemious Lenten weeks when eating was verboten but quaffing was sacrosanct.

"This is a true South German bock," says Sam Adams founder Jim Koch, over pints of the stuff at his Jamaica Plain brewery. "A big, malty, more alcoholic, warming rich bock."

With one twist. "I love chocolate," he says. "And I love beer. Both beer and chocolate have extraordinary flavor complexity. And so the idea of putting the two together intrigued me because of the depth and layers of flavor you could imagine from that." Koch points out that chocolate has not always been used almost exclusively as a sweet confection; only in the past century or so has it shown up primarily in candy bars. "It’s a very versatile spice that has been underused," he says. "You’ve got this incredible package [of flavors]: bitter, tart, earthy. It’s got some almond, it’s got mocha, it’s got cherry ... it’s got a lot going on."

Chocolate has shown up in porters and stouts before, but Koch wanted to avoid the "cliché" of a chocolate stout. "I wanted something to bring out the smoothness, the richness, the velvety taste of chocolate, rather than the burnt notes. That’s when the idea of a bock started to make sense."

So he teamed up with Berkeley chocolatiers Scharffen Berger and set about figuring how best it could be done. Almost immediately, they faced two dilemmas. First, in what form do you use the chocolate — when it’s still a raw cocoa bean, or as a processed bar? And at what point in the brewing process do you add it to the beer? In the mill? The mash tub? Kettle? Fermenter? After months of trial and error, Koch and his brewers decided on the best course of action.

"Basically, we aged the [finished] beer on a bed of what are called cocoa nibs. Those are the dried cocoa beans as they come from the farm. And it makes sense, in retrospect. We get the chocolate at the very beginning of the processing, so we’re as close as possible to the essence of the chocolate ... and then we put it in the beer at the end of the process. So it sort of minimizes the processing of it all."

The real richness of chocolate flavor comes from the aroma, Koch explains, and limiting the machinations involved in infusing the beer with the bean maximizes its olfactory impact. As a welcome side effect, the "long, slow, cold infusion" process, which lasts about a month, brings out all the flavor and aromatics of cocoa beans, while adding none of the extra calories of chocolate.

Which is a good thing, because the bock makes a perfect partner for guilty postprandial pleasures like chocolate cake, rich mousse, and mascarpone cheese and fruit — more flavors that meld euphoniously with the mercurial mélange at work in the beer.

"Beer and chocolate are two of the most complex foods or beverages," says Koch. "There’s so much going on in your mouth. It’s like three symphonies playing at once."

Available for about $14.99 for a 750-ml bottle at Kappy’s, Huntington Wine & Spirits, and Martignetti’s, and at Anam Cara in Brookline and Sunset Cantina in Allston.
 
Man, that sounds like some good stuff
I may have to see if my beer guy has any
 
Sounds intriguing. I've tried the chocolate flavor by way of Stouts or Taddy Porters. Even then, it was more of chocolate-nuances rather than full-blown chocolate flavoring. I admit, at first thought, I suspected Samuel Adam's of finally trying to rip-off Samuel Smith's in the UK.

All in all, this sounds as if it should be avoided. If you're hell-bent on this, just save yourself the frustration of tracking it down and get some hershey's and pour it in your Sam Adam's Ale/Lager/what have you.

Next thing you know, your're chugging down that horrible raspberry or peach flavored beer coming out of Belguim. Adding such flavoring to beer is like putting a saddle on a dog. It just doesn't work. NOW, if WHITMANS were to start making beer-flavored chocolate on the other hand....
 
Ashley (ads47) kindly sent me two bottle of this awesome beer for my birthday (coming... May 2nd)... I got together with some friends of mine, and had a really nice night out on my porch. We drank the two bottles of Sam Adams Chocolate Stout, had some great cigars, some nice vintage 1999 Junmai Gaiginjo Gekkakow sake, some killer Ron Del Barrilito (three stars) rum, and some 1996 Beringer reserve Riesling -- here's the wreckage:

sam_adams_chocolate_night.jpg


This is one hell of a great beer. I thought it might be incredibly thick and sweet like the Triple Bocks that Sam Adams has, but it isn't -- even Thomas's wife Gemila loved it. It's a really great tasting beer with very pronounced chocolate hints, but it isn't sweet at all... just plain delicious.

The crappy thing is that this is a limited production beer... but I'm glad to have experienced it at all... thanks Ashley!!

PS Who said 5 year old Opus X's can't hold an ash? :)

opus_x_long_ash.jpg
 
I don't see any 17 yo Eagle Rare....couldn't handle the good stuff? :sign: :sign:
 
MiamiCubano said:
All in all, this sounds as if it should be avoided. If you're hell-bent on this, just save yourself the frustration of tracking it down and get some hershey's and pour it in your Sam Adam's Ale/Lager/what have you.

Next thing you know, your're chugging down that horrible raspberry or peach flavored beer coming out of Belguim. Adding such flavoring to beer is like putting a saddle on a dog. It just doesn't work. NOW, if WHITMANS were to start making beer-flavored chocolate on the other hand....
Wow! Bashing Belgian Beers? Interesting.

This is usually a pretty good indication of one's lack of a beer palate, as Belgium is widely known for producing some of the finest tripels, dubels, and framboise in the world.

I can only expect this much from someone living in Miami though. Keep on throwing back that Mexican piss beer, er, uh, Corona I mean :sign:

Just tugging your chain. To each his or her own.
 
your intro sounds just like the S. Adams commercial. Do they give you a big dusty menu when you walk in ?:D

"Welcome to the House of Beers. We have beers from all over the world. Let me know when you are ready to order "
 
Tony Bones said:
MiamiCubano said:
All in all, this sounds as if it should be avoided.  If you're hell-bent on this, just save yourself the frustration of tracking it down and get some hershey's and pour it in your Sam Adam's Ale/Lager/what have you. 

Next thing you know, your're chugging down that horrible raspberry or peach flavored beer coming out of Belguim.  Adding such flavoring to beer is like putting a saddle on a dog.  It just doesn't work.  NOW, if WHITMANS were to start making beer-flavored chocolate on the other hand....
Wow! Bashing Belgian Beers? Interesting.

This is usually a pretty good indication of one's lack of a beer palate, as Belgium is widely known for producing some of the finest tripels, dubels, and framboise in the world.

I can only expect this much from someone living in Miami though. Keep on throwing back that Mexican piss beer, er, uh, Corona I mean :sign:

Just tugging your chain. To each his or her own.
TONY BONES -

Read closer next time, it'll make your response more appropriate and shows you can pay attention. :p

I wasn't bashing all beer from Belgium, but the FLAVORED ones. I agree completely about Belgium's (unflavored) ALES. Some of the finest (monastic) ales I've ever had. I love the ones that are just chock full of cloudy, yeasty goodness. The kind that you swirl around and around just to get all the chunkiness off the bottom. I love it. A meal in and of itself. BUT, BUT, BUT...flavoring? What the hell do you want? Raspberries, peaches or beer? If you want beer, drink a godda*n beer - don't confuse the issue with fruit. :sign: Talk about a lack of beer palate...Lol...how would you know what beer is supposed to taste like if you mix it up with fruit, maple syrup or whatever else god-awful concoction you can muster up?

But...Corona? I think you have Miami confused with the state a little south of yours...namely, California in case you missed it. Besides...Corona is Mexican and, perhaps you don't know, but this area is mostly Cuban (with a wonderful dose of tons of other wonderful Central and South American heritages here). There's a slight difference. To steal your quote a bit, I WOULD EXPECT such confusion or lack of insight from someone living in Seattle...a city that prides itself on celebrating Cinco De Mayo on April 30, May 1 and May 2. :D

If you want to get into regional beers - look into Hatuey or Presidente...or, off our coast a bit...Kalik. But if you're looking for someone gnawing on Te-Amo's and swilling Corona...you got the wrong guy here. Besides, as others can attest, I much more partial to Scotch.

But, I know you're (full of it and) just busting my bal*s. :sign: That's why I know you don't mind if I do the same w/ my response! :)

Take care.
 
MiamiCubano said:
Tony Bones said:
MiamiCubano said:
All in all, this sounds as if it should be avoided.  If you're hell-bent on this, just save yourself the frustration of tracking it down and get some hershey's and pour it in your Sam Adam's Ale/Lager/what have you. 

Next thing you know, your're chugging down that horrible raspberry or peach flavored beer coming out of Belguim.  Adding such flavoring to beer is like putting a saddle on a dog.  It just doesn't work.  NOW, if WHITMANS were to start making beer-flavored chocolate on the other hand....
Wow! Bashing Belgian Beers? Interesting.

This is usually a pretty good indication of one's lack of a beer palate, as Belgium is widely known for producing some of the finest tripels, dubels, and framboise in the world.

I can only expect this much from someone living in Miami though. Keep on throwing back that Mexican piss beer, er, uh, Corona I mean :sign:

Just tugging your chain. To each his or her own.
TONY BONES -

Read closer next time, it'll make your response more appropriate and shows you can pay attention. :p

I wasn't bashing all beer from Belgium, but the FLAVORED ones. I agree completely about Belgium's (unflavored) ALES. Some of the finest (monastic) ales I've ever had. I love the ones that are just chock full of cloudy, yeasty goodness. The kind that you swirl around and around just to get all the chunkiness off the bottom. I love it. A meal in and of itself. BUT, BUT, BUT...flavoring? What the hell do you want? Raspberries, peaches or beer? If you want beer, drink a godda*n beer - don't confuse the issue with fruit. :sign: Talk about a lack of beer palate...Lol...how would you know what beer is supposed to taste like if you mix it up with fruit, maple syrup or whatever else god-awful concoction you can muster up?

But...Corona? I think you have Miami confused with the state a little south of yours...namely, California in case you missed it. Besides...Corona is Mexican and, perhaps you don't know, but this area is mostly Cuban (with a wonderful dose of tons of other wonderful Central and South American heritages here). There's a slight difference. To steal your quote a bit, I WOULD EXPECT such confusion or lack of insight from someone living in Seattle...a city that prides itself on celebrating Cinco De Mayo on April 30, May 1 and May 2. :D

If you want to get into regional beers - look into Hatuey or Presidente...or, off our coast a bit...Kalik. But if you're looking for someone gnawing on Te-Amo's and swilling Corona...you got the wrong guy here. Besides, as others can attest, I much more partial to Scotch.

But, I know you're (full of it and) just busting my bal*s. :sign: That's why I know you don't mind if I do the same w/ my response! :)

Take care.
:sign: :sign: :sign: Of course I'm just busting your balls!

Corona = Beach dweller. You have sand between your toes right now, don't you :sign:

Seriously, to each his or her own. I like some of the frutier stuff from Belgium. In fact, one of my favorite things about Chimay white is its fruity, crisp finish.

As far as chocolate goes, I don't seek out "chocolate" beers...but man, have you tried Old Rasputin or Rogue's Imperial Stout. You want a meal in a bottle, that's where you need to go.

Regarding Seattle and specifically the Pacific Northwest: We're widely known for having the best breweries in the entire country...and I'm from NY so this isn't a state pride thing either.

Now as far as Cuban culture: I wish I had more exposure to it. I'd love to try a bunch of Cuban beer and what little Cubano food I've had was great...although it was anglofied.

If you're ever around these parts I'll buy us a case of assorted 8% and up random micro-brews and Belgians and we'll see who falls out of there patio seat first ;)
 
Tony -

Sounds like a plan. The same goes for you...if you ever find yourself in Miami, let me know and I'll expose you to more Cuban culture than you can probably handle. :sign:

As for your neck of the woods...I know it very well. Back in some wilder days (not that long ago actually), I annually would trek to Seattle from Nor Cal via my 1964 Norton with about 30 or so other riders (some on Vespas and Lambrettas - who would then trek over to Big People Scooters over on....Washington???). We would then engage in a "pub" crawl going from one brewery to the next. From Redhook (yummm) to Hales, McHugh's, and many more that I can't even recall. Seems to me like Greenlake and Red Door were a couple but I can't be sure.

But yes...microbreweries...you boys have a'plenty and dam* fine ones to boot. Cheers brother!
 
damn! I rteally want to try it now!

I have had a samuel adams triple bock that was absolutely amazing. its very very thick and very very potent. anyone ever have it? i dont know if they have made it in the last 3 years.
 
Dawn said:
damn! I rteally want to try it now!

I have had a samuel adams triple bock that was absolutely amazing. its very very thick and very very potent. anyone ever have it? i dont know if they have made it in the last 3 years.
Yep, I've had the Triple Bocks -- nice beers, but very thick and sweet -- definitely sipping beers. I enjoyed the Chocolate Bock more, for what it's worth.
 
I'll be in Boston this weekend. In between the Redsox v. Royals game on Saturday that I'll be attending, I'm convincing myself to track down some of this Choco-brew and give it a try. I'm assuming for the time being that this will be some what more accessible in Boston given it's Sam Adams...but who knows. If I come across a boatload of the stuff, I'll try and pick up some for a few Choco-brew bombs... ;)
 
MiamiCubano said:
I'll be in Boston this weekend. In between the Redsox v. Royals game on Saturday that I'll be attending, I'm convincing myself to track down some of this Choco-brew and give it a try. I'm assuming for the time being that this will be some what more accessible in Boston given it's Sam Adams...but who knows. If I come across a boatload of the stuff, I'll try and pick up some for a few Choco-brew bombs... ;)
Good luck; from what I understand, they didn't intend to make much of it to begin with, and their yield was much lower than expected.
 
Homer : Apu, give me some of that beer with candy in it.. Skittlebrau.
Apu : Sir, there is no such product!
Homer : Oh.. Then give me a six pack and some skittles.
 
I only need to know two things.

1. How much do you want?

2. What are you willing to pay?

There is product out there but it isn't cheap and will only go up in price until next year when the next batch hits the shelves.
 
I received my bottles and cracked one open this past weekend. I can honestly say that it tastes like fine chocolate.

Sadly, this beer definitely didn't come close to being worth $18 per bottle. It was really quite one dimensional and weak. Almost watered down, IMHO.

I'll stick w/ my Old Rasputin or Rogue Imperial Stouts. Both are far more full-bodied and complex. Cheaper too.

Never-the-less, around here it's more about the "exclusiveness" of something regardless of its taste or price, right? :sign: You're way cooler if you pay a ton for a marginal product :sign:
 
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