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Seriously conflicted

kann

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Ok, not sure if I should really post this here or not, but I need to get it out, and I think the fact that I don't really know any of you that well, personally, is actually beneficial in this case. This is one of the few forums I visit (of the very few forums I visit...) that I'm not a FOG, myself, as well as the fact that there are many here who are much older and experienced in life than myself from whom I hope to glean some advice and/or opinion in the matter.

To put it out right out there: my mom is dying. I mean, it might be down to a matter of weeks at this point. In June '09 she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, late Stage 3, and was subsequently gutted like a fish. She was alright for a while, but earlier this year it recurred and yesterday when she went for another round of chemotherapy, she was admitted to the hospital immediately, as it was found that it spread and is quite advanced at this point. I have only talked to my sister, who has pretty good medical and medicinal knowledge due to her career in the medical field. She's been the "translator" for all of us in this. My mother is still pretty drugged up right now and is in and out of consciousness. I'm hoping to talk to her today. I'm in Germany, and there's a six hour time difference, which is not helping communication matters any.

So, to get to the mental/emotional conflict... I'm 5,000 miles away. If need be, I can have us back in PA in 24 hours. Realistically and practically, there's more to it than just packing bags and jumping on the next flight back. My wife and I are a military family. We have lived all around the world, and due to this, my mother has rarely seen her two granddaughters, such is a military existence. Until I just thought about it, I didn't even bat an eye at the fact that three out of the four of us (my two daughters and I) haven't been back to the States in over a year. I'm completely fine with that, except for now realizing what those that matter have been missing. Our oldest will be eleven years old in about two weeks. She just started 6th grade yesterday. Our youngest is four and a half and is in a Montessori Pre-K here. My wife is currently TDY back in the states since early July and due home in about three weeks. Of course, I'm upset about the whole situation, but I'm OK. I know what to expect and I know what's coming. It will suck, but I'm prepared for it. What is eating me, though, is that I thought about it, and in four and a half years (my youngest), it will be optimistic to guess my mother has seen her youngest granddaughter for a total of 30 days. One month in a four-year-old's life. Our daughter knows who she is, and asks about her on the phone and stuff. My wife's father died right before my mom had her surgery in 2009, so we were up there for that. In fact, our girls stayed with my mother while my wife and I were at her dad's bedside when he passed away. Our youngest was too young to know what was going on, but our oldest understood and seemed to take it well, but still upset that she would never get to see him again, and that she didn't get to see him when she was so close up there before he died. It hurts me, as a parent, to think about that, but I do think it was for the best, as he was unconscious and in the ICU. Not a place for a child. She'll understand one day.

I don't want to put them through that again. I want my mom to get to see her granddaughters. She was never in a situation to just up and visit us wherever we were anytime she wanted. She really should have seen them more and had them be more of a part of each others' lives. I obviously need more information, as far as diagnosis and prognosis before I can really make any decisions, which I hope to have later tonight (my time). Even if she is given months-to-a-year left, they all need to see each other. Do I just whisk them away back to the States? It's easier to do with my youngest, since it's just Pre-K. She'll miss a lot, but it's not critical. Our oldest just started back to school. It would be a great negative impact to take her out now for weeks; possibly open-ended. My wife will have to return to Germany to go back to work, and I'm sure will get emergency leave when the time comes. Again, I know I need more information from her doctors. I'm just running off of a scrambling brain right now. I hate being half a world a way. I've always been there for her in every capacity I could when I could, but I feel helpless over here, now.

Thirty days. She's seen and played with her for a month out of her entire life. She's had more time with our oldest, obviously, but it shouldn't be like this. She needs to spend time with these girls, and I don't know how to make that happen at this point, if it isn't already even too late. I know that is just how life works in the adult real world, but I still feel terrible about it. I don't want either of them to wake up one morning and have her gone, not getting to see or talk to her again. I don't want my oldest to go through what she experienced with the death of her grandfather again.

I don't even really know what I'm getting at, here, I guess. It's just kind of cathartic to put this out there, since it is swirling in my head. There are many older parents and grandparents, even, here on the forum. How would you handle it? What would you expect of your children/grandchildren? Thanks for letting me ramble. Rod, feel free to delete if you want.
 
That's pretty heavy. At the very least you, your mom, and your family will be in our prayers. I've been in this situation more than once, though not as far away as you are. Just a suggestion from someone standing outside the situation. Perhaps you could return to the states to keep and eye on things and call for the family once you have more information and things are a little more solidified. I know that makes things tough on the wifey with three kids and a job. But, that would allow your children to see your mother without the whirlwind and allow them and your wife to plan for the time away if only for a week. Just from my experience, it is paramount to allow people to say goodbye. For the youngest, it might not click, but even children need to have the opportunity to understand what is happening as well as say their piece. And I am sure your mother would absolutely love to see her grandchildren regardless of how she is feeling. I hope all turns out as well as it can it a situation like that.
 
Kann, I'm not a parent, so I have no right to tell you how to handle this. The only advice I can give you is to talk to your family, young and old, and make sure you express your feelings for them. Don't think there's one right answer that's the perfect way to handle this. It's normal to feel completely messed up in a messed up situation. I have a dear friend who's battling cancer. I'm sure I could beat myself up for all the times that for some reason or another we just didn't hang out. I'm just going to try to make it clear the level of respect and love I have for him. Thanks for sharing this, brother.
 
Wow Kann, you have a really difficult decision on your hands. I can't imagine being that far away from a family member that is fighting a serious bout of cancer. You and your family will be in my thoughts during this hard time.

Have you actually talked to your family (wife and kids) about what they want to do? It might be difficult to pull the kids out of school, but maybe the school has an extended leave type program (similar to home schooling).
 
Thanks, guys. I haven't really had a chance to talk to my wife about it, as she is back in the States right now, and between her classes and me here with the kids, it gets hard to coordinate schedules sometimes. This all sprung on us just yesterday, so I was really wanting to wait until I got some better information with which to base a decision or even possibility. She is due back here the middle of next month... so, about two or three weeks or so. If it turns out it's not as critically imminent as it sounded last night, then we can wait and make a decision once she gets back. If it does turn out to be that bad after hearing from the doctor, then I'll have to come up with something ASAP.

My main concern right now is Grandma/Grandkids seeing each other and spending as much quality time as is left. Reading back, I guess it sounds like my kids getting the time was what was on my mind. In all honesty, that is part of it, but I feel guilty that my mother has never gotten the time with her granddaughters that she should have, if that makes any sense. I should know more tonight. I did get to talk to my mother, though, briefly a bit earlier. I called her room and she talked for a few minutes. She was pretty medicated and didn't say much of substance, but it was just nice to hear her, and I know that it helped her to hear from me, too.

Thanks, again. I'll chime in again when I know more.
 
What ever you do is the right thing. My only advice for you is that what matters most in times like these is that you are there. You will remember the days to come for a long time. So spend as much time as you can with her.

Thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
 
I went through this when my dad found out he was going to have a bypass and had already given up. I flew in as soon as I could but wasn't able to get there before the operation. I was able to see him after the operation but he passed away shortly there after without us being able to talk.

My advice is get over there as fast as you can, I didn't take my family with me, but that's up to you.

Not being able to talk with my father face to face one last time is one of the biggest regrets I live with.

My prayers and thoughts are with you and yours Nick.

Shawn
 
I tried to type my thoughts a few different ways here, but I keep going back to tone-ny's statement which states exactly what I am trying to say. Whatever you decide will be the right thing and spend as much time as you, your wife and the kids can with her. I can't really add anything to that.

My thoughts and prayers are with you, your mom and your family.
 
I'd say get over there as soon as possible, as you never know when the time will come. My father didn't take my brother and I to see my grandfather before he passed, and I have always been torn over it. Take the kids if you can, a week or two of missed school isn't a big deal when it comes to things like this.

I'm really sorry that you have to go through this, I don't know what else to say. She will be in my thoughts and prayers, hopefully things turn out for the better.
 
We make time now, or have plenty of time for regret, later. Be honest with yourself, and I think you will find that you already know your hearts desire.
Ask yourself, what does she want? What does she need? Doe she need her family, all of it? Each member is another light in her life. If you think you have to be there for an extended amount of time, check with the school, and see if they have a program for remote learning.
I know that once when my lil one was ill, his school told me not to worry, as they had contigencies for this.
If that doesn't pan out, then at least consider some sort of trip if they have a week break. It is not always the amount of time, but the quality of the time we make.
Get her some framed pictures of her family, all of them, and place them where she can easily see them. I'm sure you will figure out what is best for everybody,
 
You need to be where you feel you need to be, when it's time to be there. The pressure you feel to do the right thing will drive you to do exactly that. Your conscience won't let you make a mistake. Your family probably will do best if they also have closure. The military is pretty lenient for time off for the death of a family member. Stay in close communication with your sister. Listen for unspoken words that tell you she needs your help. Don't beat yourself up over the amount of time your children have spent with your mother. Your career, a very noble, self-sacrificing one, dictates that. I am absolutely sure your mother is very proud of your choice. Your initial post tells me you will do the right thing.

Stay strong brother.
 
“So much of what is best in us is bound up in our love of family that it remains the measure of our stability because it measures our sense of loyalty." - Haniel Clark Long

[font="'Times New Roman"]These are words that have helped me along with tough decisions that I have had to make. When asked a difficult question, the answer should be always centered around family. Family IS everything. Family IS the meaning of life. . .[/font]
[font="'Times New Roman"]One should never feel guilt with a decision they have made when faced with tough decisions such as yourself. I wish you and your family the best, I will keep you in my prayers, and would like to thank you for your service. Military families are the backbone of this country and I appreciate the sacrifice you all make. Be safe, and good luck[/font]
 
It sounds like you're already beating yourself up with regret. You can't do that to yourself, otherwise you'll miss out on the time you have together now. Celebrate that she's still with you today, that she ever got to meet your children in the first place.

Now is definitely the time to be optimistic as your family will look to you for strength. Go see her. Take your family. When you find out she'll beat it again, celebrate. Go see her. Take family. Repeat.

You'll thank yourself later...

I wish you the best and thank you for your service.


**And take some pictures...they come in handy down the road**
 
Thanks for the words, all. I know a little more now than I did a few days ago, and I've had a chance to discuss with my wife and family back in the States. The bad news, is that it's still S4 cancer and it's still going to do what cancer does in the end. The good news is that it is NOT as time-sensitive critical as first thought. I'll spare all the details, but some ER tests and scans at one hospital (which I wouldn't even take my dog to) were misleading upon her arrival, in pain, at her primary doc down in Allentown. Now, she needed to be admitted and have some work done immediately, but after running his own tests and scans and whatever else they do in cases like this (remember, I'm only getting third-party "translated" info over here), it was discovered that the originally perceived cells and growths were something else, entirely (though not entirely good).

So, Mom's still in the hospital, but she's expected to actually go home, eventually. Something we weren't so sure of just a few days ago. She's back to her original prognosis of probably about 12 months, maybe a bit more if she actually makes an attempt to take care of herself physically and mentally. I haven't been able to connect with her since the first time I spoke on the phone to her, but I've talked to others and they have relayed messages. Talking with my wife, I think that we are going to wait out her getting back here in about two or three weeks, and then go from there. I have e-mailed my daughter's teacher just to let him know what might be coming up, but haven't heard back from him yet. She's breezing through the "review work" right now early in the year, so this might be the best time available, practically speaking, as far as her school situation goes. My mother isn't in condition right now for child visitors at the hospital, so with the upgraded prognosis, I think we are going to make plans for when she gets back to her own home. My wife is going to be in NY, just a few hours away, for a few days helping her own mother move down to Atlanta before flying back over here, so she said she is going to go down and visit with my mother while she is there. I think that's the best all-around way to handle it at this point.

Thanks, again. It really does mean a lot.

-nk
 
With a limited and different set of experiences, I wish you all the best. You're doing the right thing.
 
I guess the update is a good thing (as good as bad news can be). If it makes you feel any better, I have a golf friend who's girlfriend was fighting S4 cancer. She only had the diagnosed 12 months to live, and she ended up being with us for 3 years.

Hopefully your mother will be able to fight and stay with us for a few more years.
 
I debated this (just as I first debated the OP), but since so many were kind enough to offer advice and thoughts, I believe it is only fair to update.

Mom passed away at 1125 yesterday morning.

I took everyone's advice into consideration last week, and talked with my wife about all we knew up to that point. We had decided that I would fly back here to PA the day after she returned to Germany. She was supposed to return on 13 September, and we would surprise the girls by having her with me when I picked them up from their respective schools. We would spend Wednesday together, and then Thursday morning I would be on the first flight out of Frankfurt. I bought plane tickets and everything. I spoke to my sister on the phone Friday afternoon, my time, and all was well. She was on her way up to see Mom at the hospital. Having a plan in place, the kids and I spent the night at a friend's place in the village. I spent the night drinking beer, smoking cigars, and just talking about life out in the back yard.

Upon arriving back home Saturday morning around 1100 with a raging hangover, I found I had multiple calls and e-mails from my sister wanting me to call her ASAP. I called her, and she informed me that Mom had "crashed" unexpectedly during the day (sometime after I talked to her, and while she was on the drive down to see her). The doctors said there was nothing else they could do for her except make her comfortable from here on out. In accordance with my mother's wishes to die at home, and not in a hospital, she was checked out and transported back to the house. I had my sister immediately contact the Red Cross and start the ball rolling on their end. It took longer than I would have expected, but the end result was still getting on the first flight of the morning out of Frankfurt, through Philadelphia, and then on to Scranton. My wife, who was in the States, was coincidentally booked flying through Philadelphia and ended up being put on the same connecting flight into Scranton. That was very nice and helped a lot.

Mom was in rough shape when we arrived. She was able to acknowledge everyone, but was still so medicated and out of it that she was unable to really communicate. Her eyes and mouth perked up when she heard the girls. I can't tell you all how much it will mean to me for the rest of my own life seeing how just the sound of her granddaughters' voices sparked her. The lights may have been out, but there was definitely someone home all the way to the end. She held on for a day and a half, getting progressively worse. She passed away on Tuesday morning, my older daughter's 11th birthday, surrounded by her entire family, and I was fortunate enough to hold her hand as she took her last breaths. I am so thankful that we were able to make it back here in time.

Though the sudden turn for the worse was unexpected at this time, the end result was not. It doesn't make it much easier, but it is a definite relief to know that she is not in the pain anymore that I witnessed these last two days. It is still hard to believe that the vibrant and beautiful woman I knew was the same shell of herself laying in that bed. This journey is over, though, and today is a new day. I am at peace with it all, as I know that she is. Now there are just some loose ends and errands to take care of here. Hopefully we will be heading back across the Atlantic within another week.

Thank you to everyone for the previous support and thoughts. I truly did take them all into consideration, and I thought that I had made a viable plan. Apparently there was a different plan in the works, and in a way I'm glad that it happened like this, because she DID get to see and hear her girls again. I'm not so sure that would have been the case, otherwise. All is well, now. Thanks, again.
 
Sorry about your loss. I am happy at the way everything evolved for you and your family. I wish you peace while you recover.

Steve
 
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