should barry bonds

[sack]

now that it's out in the open, being juiced up and all, should he even be considered? IMO him sosa and mcquire should be black listed. i guess conseco's book was right on the mark. what a joke! :angry2:

 

[Drew_Moberly]

That is pretty sad that he had to use steroids....he was always a well known ball player that didnt need the juice. It really hurts baseball right now, of course baseball has been hurting since 94 but thats neither here nor there. I just hope that all of this doesn't overshadow the recent and tragic death of Kirby Puckett.

 

[Bond]

Did anyone really believe Bonds when he said he had not used roids?

He's one of, if not the biggest A-hole in the game. Roid rage??? Keep him out!

 

[LilBastage]

I'm not really sure how he can be disqualified. Sure, there is tons of evidence against him, but no failed drug test.

McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and a large number of other players have a whole lot going against them, but none of them ever failed a test. As far as MLB is concerned, none of them ever used any banned substances.

Why is that? MLB had no policy in regards to steroids in place. Even after the original Canseco suspicions in the early to mid nineties, MLB did absolutely nothing to truly discourage the use of these drugs. It was only after Congress got after their asses that MLB did anything about it.

I do not condone any of the above mentioned players' use of performance enhancing drugs, but if they were allowed within the confines of the rules, I don't see how MLB can take any official action. True, the use of drugs was clearly not in the spirit of the game and did likely blast some of MLB's beloved numbers out of the record books, but isn't it MLB's responsibility to protect those sacred numbers?

Sports writers have the final say on the HOF, and who knows how that will go. It is likely that many of the "tainted" players will not be put in on the first ballot, but I doubt they'll be kept out for good. I also doubt that there will be any asterisks or anything like that in the records or on their displays. Without hard proof like a failed test, it would be difficult to implement something like that.

Having said all of this, I lost all respect I had for Big Mac after his testimony to Congress and have zero regard for Sosa or Bonds. It's just too bad none of them were/are as foolish as Raffie. At least we KNOW he's a cheater.

Just my .02

 

[Shadow]

I just hope that all of this doesn't overshadow the recent and tragic death of Kirby Puckett.

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Unfortunately it looks like it has. :angry2:

 

[ukyfan]

I am no fan of Bonds. From all that I have heard, he is the biggest asshole in the game. Ranks right up there with Cobb. I wish he would just bow out right now and not even start the season.

Unfortunately, I have always been a fan of Rafael Palmeiro, and Mark McGwire.

 

[TOFan]

As much as I hate to say it, I would say yes he should be in the hall of fame. As an above post mentioned he never failed a drug test. He didn’t do anything that was against MLB rules at the time. I can see him not getting in on the first ballot because of his relationship with the baseball writers, but eventually I think he’ll get in.

 

[tone-ny]

I just think that he needs to move on. He will not help himself in his denial, somewhat like Pete Rose's denial will keep him out of the HOF.

Maybe time will show him some kindness, but I doubt that he will get in on the first try.

The only problem I have is it detracts from the passing of Kirby a class act and the WBC. I guess the publisher and SI are shilling the book and thought what better time to release the excerpts.

IMHO

 

[cookie_1978]

here is my plan for the year - EVERY TIME he comes to bat this year, walk him. Do it for 3 years if you have to - just don't let him pass the Babe and Hank in HR's - would it be too much to ask that he snaps some bone or ligament today - One can only hope :laugh:

 

[AVB]

One has to ask why baseball is held to a higher standard. Should the Stones not be in the R&R HoF because they used heroin? What about Rominowski in football with all the drugs he took?

Until Bonds admits or tests positive our system gives him the benefit of the doubt whether you agree or not.

 

[ALostTexan]

One has to ask why baseball is held to a higher standard. Should the Stones not be in the R&R HoF because they used heroin? What about Rominowski in football with all the drugs he took?

Until Bonds admits or tests positive our system gives him the benefit of the doubt whether you agree or not.

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And on this same reasoning, why the hell is Lawrence Taylor in the Hall of Fame? He was a total coke head, and an absolutely terrible person off the field. If he is in the Hall, then Bonds should be...

ALostTexan

 

[Peekay]

I tend to agree with AVB and LilBastage, while it doesn't make what Bonds did any better, MLB needed to step a long time ago and get tough on the issue. It almost took an act of Congress for them to pass some type of rule regarding the use of drugs. Still a pretty weak rule.

Kids idolize these guys, I know I did as a kid growing up. My grandfather who lived close to Oakland loved the A's, every summer when I visited he would take me to see them play. McGwire and Conseco were among the players on the team, it kinda hurts now knowing that these guys took steroids to help them play. At least I didn't know that they did when I was a kid, but other kids are seeing this and may consider drugs a viable option to help their performance.

This hurts MLB a lot, but I think it hurts our younger athlete's perception of what it takes to perform to a greater extent. Hopefully our coaches and parents are doing a good job of setting the kids straight.

 

[bfreebern]

I have a hard time believing that he would have put up the same numbers w/out the roids that he did w/ them.

 

[LilBastage]

I have a hard time believing that he would have put up the same numbers w/out the roids that he did w/ them.

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I certainly agree here. I know he still has to put the bat to the ball and his eye-hand coordination is obviously superb, but the quick recovery time from intense training that many of these drugs provides is the real benefit.

He's always been a fitness fanatic, but he obviously got a little more intense with the workouts after the 1998 season. I don't think the steroids helped him to hit the ball all that much farther, but the training advantage certainly did help him hit the ball more consistently with power in my mind.

 

[centurycigar]

I have never liked Bonds.
Hes a arrogant prick, and for that reason alone, he shouldn't make the Hall.
Add the roid use, and I think its pretty obvious he shouldn't make it.

But on the other side, I think Pete Rose should.

 

[bfreebern]

Hes a arrogant prick, and for that reason alone, he shouldn't make the Hall.

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If they judged on players personalities, I'm sure 1/2 of the inductees wouldn't be in the Hall.

 

[centurycigar]

Hes a arrogant prick, and for that reason alone, he shouldn't make the Hall.

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If they judged on players personalities, I'm sure 1/2 of the inductees wouldn't be in the Hall.

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True :laugh:
But hes in clASS all his own !

 

[bfreebern]

I still think it takes a talented athlete to stand in the box and hit a 95mph fastball, 68mph changeup or a 75mph slider. It's hard, I've done it.

Will he make the Hall? Probably. Does he deserve it? I'm leaning towards NO.

I personally don't like him, I think he's a major ASS.

 

[Rob_k]

Roger Marius, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams...etc.
legends on the books less enhancing drugs, how is it fair to say bonds is on the cusp or breaking some records...this bastard gives baseball a bad rap, he shouldn't be in the hall, ever.


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[golfgar]

Hard to argue as to why he should be banned from the Hall. He, and the others were good for baseball at a time when baseball needed some excitement. Gut says it is not fair, but there is no official evidence. It would be a shame to see him break a Hank Aaron record. Can you keep the stats out of the record books when the games counted? The whole game and the comparisons between generations of ballplayers has been compromised. More thought required.