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Indoor Smoke Ventilation?

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thebeardsman

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Hey all!

Has anybody had any success running a ventilation system? I've built a bar in my basement and would love to be able to smoke down there. Doesn't need to be completely airtight, just so it's not visibly smoky.

I have drop ceilings with about 6 inches of space above. Thinking maybe a powerful bathroom exhaust fan or 2. Is there anything better out there?
 
The best thing I've seen for an enclosed space is a smoke eater.

If you are handy, you may be able to find an exit and an exhaust fan. Just have an equal amount of fresh air in.
 
Anything worth while will cost a lot. You can have a smoke eater and exhaust fan but will still have cigar smoke smell. And depending on how well the room is insulated the smell might eventually find its way to the rest of the house
 
If I'm reading your post correctly, you just want to vent the smoke from the room up into the space above the drop ceiling? I don't think this is gonna do much good.
 
ChuckJr said:
If I'm reading your post correctly, you just want to vent the smoke from the room up into the space above the drop ceiling? I don't think this is gonna do much good.
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Yeah, that would lead to stale nasty smells.
 
ChuckJr said:
If I'm reading your post correctly, you just want to vent the smoke from the room up into the space above the drop ceiling? I don't think this is gonna do much good.
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I think he told us that so we know he could run duct work above the ceiling to run it outside.
 
Thanks for the input guys.

I mentioned the space for ductwork as CBoukal mentioned. The plan would be to run the smoke outside, just wondering the best blower/fan setup to do so.
 
thebeardsman said:
Thanks for the input guys.

I mentioned the space for ductwork as CBoukal mentioned. The plan would be to run the smoke outside, just wondering the best blower/fan setup to do so.
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I bought an in-line duct fan to boost the furnace air flow to my second story. It is temperature controlled or you can turn it on manually. It moves a good bit of air.

>>>>>>>LINK<<<<<<<
 
CigarStone said:
I bought an in-line duct fan to boost the furnace air flow to my second story. It is temperature controlled or you can turn it on manually. It moves a good bit of air.

>>>>>>>LINK<<<<<<<
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Thanks for the link! I'm thinking a couple of them vented out might work. For the price can't hurt to try.
 
thebeardsman said:
Thanks for the link! I'm thinking a couple of them vented out might work. For the price can't hurt to try.
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Just make sure you are exchanging an equal amount of fresh air in. Even if it comes from an open window inside the home, you have to be pulling air in at the same time you are pushing air out or it won't do any good.

I do this by putting a fan in my man cave window blowing out with an opening in the door to the rest of the house, and a window open in the house. The fan in the window is sealed so it can't exchange air at the fan.

I then remove the fan and use an ozone machine overnight and the room smells perfectly clean by morning.
 
kann said:
Please search here on the forum about ozone machines. There's some important health and safety things you need to know before you mess with one.
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Nick, the hype about ozone machines is mostly BS. It is referencing the ozone levels put out by the big machines that fire restoration companies use to clean the home of the odors after a fire. At the levels of home use machines, there is zero factual evidence of health issues.

There is ozone is every breath you take.
 
CigarStone said:
Nick, the hype about ozone machines is mostly BS. It is referencing the ozone levels put out by the big machines that fire restoration companies use to clean the home of the odors after a fire. At the levels of home use machines, there is zero factual evidence of health issues.

There is ozone is every breath you take.
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Understood. I readily admit that I have zero personal experience with ozone machines, myself.
 
kann said:
Understood. I readily admit that I have zero personal experience with ozone machines, myself.
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My SoClean CPAP cleaner is an ozone machine and I too have read it’s not good at all to breathe it. So not sure where @CigarStone found his info but I have read around the web that it can cause asthma and other issues. If you are trying to get the smell out on a regular basis for a typical sized room wouldn’t you want almost an industrial size machine any way? For those who don’t know, ozone is O3 and since oxygen likes to be O2, it naturally likes to fling the 3rd oxygen molecule off and it attaches itself to bacteria and mold and odor and anything else that can be oxidized. And forgive me if my limited knowledge of physics and chemistry is wrong but it doesn’t make sense that we would be breathing ozone regularly at least in any sort of concentrated measurable sense because it naturally doesn’t want to even exist. It’s not a natural bond except in our atmosphere where the molecules have a surface tension just like when you do your belly flops in a pool
 
IngloriousBasterd said:
My SoClean CPAP cleaner is an ozone machine and I too have read it’s not good at all to breathe it. So not sure where @CigarStone found his info but I have read around the web that it can cause asthma and other issues. If you are trying to get the smell out on a regular basis for a typical sized room wouldn’t you want almost an industrial size machine any way? For those who don’t know, ozone is O3 and since oxygen likes to be O2, it naturally likes to fling the 3rd oxygen molecule off and it attaches itself to bacteria and mold and odor and anything else that can be oxidized. And forgive me if my limited knowledge of physics and chemistry is wrong but it doesn’t make sense that we would be breathing ozone regularly at least in any sort of concentrated measurable sense because it naturally doesn’t want to even exist. It’s not a natural bond except in our atmosphere where the molecules have a surface tension just like when you do your belly flops in a pool
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Calling Dr. @Smokin'Sims
 
IngloriousBasterd said:
My SoClean CPAP cleaner is an ozone machine and I too have read it’s not good at all to breathe it. So not sure where @CigarStone found his info but I have read around the web that it can cause asthma and other issues. If you are trying to get the smell out on a regular basis for a typical sized room wouldn’t you want almost an industrial size machine any way? For those who don’t know, ozone is O3 and since oxygen likes to be O2, it naturally likes to fling the 3rd oxygen molecule off and it attaches itself to bacteria and mold and odor and anything else that can be oxidized. And forgive me if my limited knowledge of physics and chemistry is wrong but it doesn’t make sense that we would be breathing ozone regularly at least in any sort of concentrated measurable sense because it naturally doesn’t want to even exist. It’s not a natural bond except in our atmosphere where the molecules have a surface tension just like when you do your belly flops in a pool
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I don't think your physics or chemistry is wrong. What I know is that the concentration of ozone which is harmful is astronomically higher than that of personal use machines. If you've ever been a home after there has been a major fire and hundreds and hundreds of gallons of water have been pumped in, the smell is unbearable. In a matter of a few days the commercial machines will have it smelling pristine.

I used a commercial machine in my cabin when I got mold and the smell was terrible. The machine cleaned the smell but when I ran in to turn it off and open windows, it affected my breathing. When I use the personal machine in my man cave, it has no harmful effect and it smells refreshing.
 
CigarStone said:
I don't think your physics or chemistry is wrong. What I know is that the concentration of ozone which is harmful is astronomically higher than that of personal use machines. If you've ever been a home after there has been a major fire and hundreds and hundreds of gallons of water have been pumped in, the smell is unbearable. In a matter of a few days the commercial machines will have it smelling pristine.

I used a commercial machine in my cabin when I got mold and the smell was terrible. The machine cleaned the smell but when I ran in to turn it off and open windows, it affected my breathing. When I use the personal machine in my man cave, it has no harmful effect and it smells refreshing.
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Makes sense. The thing that cleans my CPAP leaks a bit and you can smell it in the bedroom and it’s always made me wonder why I can smell O3 but not O2? Like why would an extra oxygen molecule have a smell. Also I have felt it make my lungs tingle a bit. But either way I personally wouldn’t be in a room while you are freely pumping it in there no matter the machine as repeat exposure might be bad but also if you are flipping it on after you are done with the room for the night and have it on a timer, by the time you go in the room later it should be fine because like I said the extra molecule does not want to stay attached and will dissipate on its own after a short while
 
IngloriousBasterd said:
Makes sense. The thing that cleans my CPAP leaks a bit and you can smell it in the bedroom and it’s always made me wonder why I can smell O3 but not O2? Like why would an extra oxygen molecule have a smell. Also I have felt it make my lungs tingle a bit. But either way I personally wouldn’t be in a room while you are freely pumping it in there no matter the machine as repeat exposure might be bad but also if you are flipping it on after you are done with the room for the night and have it on a timer, by the time you go in the room later it should be fine because like I said the extra molecule does not want to stay attached and will dissipate on its own after a short while
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If you ever smell ozone, which I do every morning after a cigar, or even when I turn the machine on while smoking, it smells just like it does outside when you step from a smoky room to the outdoors, or just before a rainstorm. Remember when you could smoke in bars, and the fresh sweet smell you would get when you step outside? That is what ozone smells like.

This is an interesting article about it.
>>>>>Ozone smell<<<<<<<
 
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