War Adviser Considers Military Draft
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CalixEros
Big Building Builder
Well I have a little different opinion than you guys. I tried going into the Marines out of high school and they told me no because I broke my leg and have a titanium rod and screws in there to fix it. They said it was one of the few things they can't get around, so they can stick it where the sun don't shine if they tell me I have to join now...
wasy
Active Member
As the father of two children of draft age I say F*** the draft! Kids 18-19 should not be fighting wars that their fathers created! If we learned anything from Vietnam it should have been that!
I'm of the opinion that the the Chinese can and will keep Asia in line while the E U handles Europe and we should focus on North and South America. As for the Middle East and Africa I say fuck em all!
I'm of the opinion that the the Chinese can and will keep Asia in line while the E U handles Europe and we should focus on North and South America. As for the Middle East and Africa I say fuck em all!
Cards&Gars
"Kellito"
Please allow me 15 seconds on my new soap box…
I have also done my time. I put in 20 …AND I am still working with those guys and STILL deploying with them. (I just don’t get to jump anymore.)
So, I am not sure how I feel about a draft. I will tell you this though; I have reservations about my boys joining because:
1. It is dangerous as hell.
2. The “national” leadership does not fully understand the type of asymmetrical warfare that is a reality in both Iraq and Afghanistan. …and because of that…
3. It is dangerous as hell.
I believe that it is our lack of understanding (again at the national level) of our opponents and our nations own hubris that is making this a “tougher” fight than it would/could/should be.
…and I step down.
Very Respectfully,
C&G
I have also done my time. I put in 20 …AND I am still working with those guys and STILL deploying with them. (I just don’t get to jump anymore.)
So, I am not sure how I feel about a draft. I will tell you this though; I have reservations about my boys joining because:1. It is dangerous as hell.
2. The “national” leadership does not fully understand the type of asymmetrical warfare that is a reality in both Iraq and Afghanistan. …and because of that…
3. It is dangerous as hell.
I believe that it is our lack of understanding (again at the national level) of our opponents and our nations own hubris that is making this a “tougher” fight than it would/could/should be.
…and I step down.
Very Respectfully,
C&G
PuroEsq
The Member Formerly Known as "JAEwing"
I agree with some of the posts here that all people should have a mandatory 2 year service. Not just men but the women too. Exemptions should be limited to physical only and not "my father is a Senator" or " I am in college".
Did I think this way right out of high school? Not necessisarily. Some may call me a hypocrit but with age comes wisdom.
All citizens should help pay the price of freedom.
Did I think this way right out of high school? Not necessisarily. Some may call me a hypocrit but with age comes wisdom.
All citizens should help pay the price of freedom.
wasy
Active Member
I agree that all citizens should serve a mandatory two years but I also think that the mandatory service should be multiple forms of service with military service having the lowest priority. Educating these people and helping their communities is the fastest way to win their hearts! How about builing some roads and wells for running water.
I'm no bleeding heart believe me, I voted twice for Bush and will vote Republican again in 2008 but I real tired of the might makes right policy.
MX
Some may call me....Tim?!?
If by these people you mean the Iraqis
You are so very right. We should also help rebuild school, clinics, hospitals, the power grid, power plants, markets, and help to create jobs for the unemployed
oh wait we are.....
Tim
Mrepp
To boldly troll where no Troll has trolled before
I dunno, its kinda like the inheritance tax, why should I pay when my ancestors already did so I wouldn't have to. I just can’t imagine too many fathers and grandfathers going to war with the intention of there children going to war also. If you fought because it makes a man otta you you went for the wrong reason, if you fought for honor you went for the wrong reason. If you fought to protect your family and those you love then you went for the right reason. I ain't buying any of this other crap others are sellin.
I agree with Robert A. Heinlein in that you should serve your country to be considered a citizen.
I also believe in mandatory service, either military or civil.
However Shrub's war is not the time to enforce a draft.
Legislation enacting a draft should only be made in peacetime, after it is enacted then draftees should only be made to defend the Motherland, any military service in a foreign war that does not directly protect our Motherland ( And this war didn't and doesn't) should only be done by our professional soldiers, who signed up knowing that they might die on foreign soil for causes ambiguous.
I could go into it a lot deeper, but sunlight is burning and I haven't had a good cigar yet today... so that's...
my 2 Cents,
Shawn
I also believe in mandatory service, either military or civil.
However Shrub's war is not the time to enforce a draft.
Legislation enacting a draft should only be made in peacetime, after it is enacted then draftees should only be made to defend the Motherland, any military service in a foreign war that does not directly protect our Motherland ( And this war didn't and doesn't) should only be done by our professional soldiers, who signed up knowing that they might die on foreign soil for causes ambiguous.
I could go into it a lot deeper, but sunlight is burning and I haven't had a good cigar yet today... so that's...
my 2 Cents,
Shawn
Devil Doc
When Death smiles, Corpsmen smile back
Mrepp
To boldly troll where no Troll has trolled before
yeah, u get my point though.
AVB
Jesus of Cool, I'm bad, I'm nationwide
Nothing personal but this seems rather closed minded, you are basically saying that only republicans can lead which would be a surprise to FDR and Truman amongst others and even more so considering what we have now.
boonedoggle
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love me some politics!
wasy
Active Member
MX
Some may call me....Tim?!?
That is why i asked...it was not meant to sound sarcastic, although, I can see now that it does. A lot of the things we are rebuilding in Iraq were broke years before we got here, such as the Power and Water service, as well roads, and other things of that nature. Baghdad was all ways in tip top shape, but the rest of the country suffered a great deal. The money never left Baghdad, and what little did, was pocketed by corrupt city leaders.
We made some horrible choices concerning Iraq, but IMHO coming here was not one of them. There are a lot of us that will have to agree to disagree on this topic.
Tim
moki
el Presidente
So um... this ended up being a non-issue. There is no draft being considered. Always seems like this "draft" nonsense only seems to come up with politicians are gearing up for election season... 
gunsandcigars88
New Member
I am 18 yrs old and totally against a draft. I am not interested in going overseas and fighting, but I have exceeding thanks for those who do. Serving is something that you enjoy or you don't, and I know that I would not like it. As far as knowing how to use a weapon I not only know how to, but I personally own multiple firearms and can use them beyond what many in the millitary can. So no one can get mad at me thinking I am some 18 yr old punk who thinks he is better than everyone else, Trust me I don't, as far as the firearms go I have shot besides milltary guys who could outshoot me with absolutely no problem, and beside millitary men who would be lucky to hit Godzilla if he was two feet in front of them. Yet I know how to properly and effectively utilize my personal firearms to the point that I would have no problem protecting my person, family, or property against anyone trying to harm them.
As it is mentioned to be in the fire dept. if not the millitary. I have been a Vollunteer firefighter for over 4 yrs now and have spent much time running calls and helping with multiple benefits for the community. I enjoy going out and working in the community, but I am not, and shouldn't be, forced to do even that. We live in a free country. That statement alone shows that a draft shouldn't be possible. A man shouldn't be forced to go out fight and overseas if it is against his will. Not that he shouldn't be asked, but he shouldn't be forced.
To all of you that are Veterans, my hat is off to you. You've done great things that are beyond me. I appreciate it that you have helped keep this country free for those of us who haven't gone to war. I know many Veterans and have thanked them for serving, and I go to church with a sergeant in the national guard. I have also thanked him for what he has done for his country, but I don't believe that any man should be forced to serve.
I care much for our nations security, but if I have to work on the security side I would lean much farther to the local law enforcement agencies. This is the career path that I plan to take, but I can't really pursue it until 21. I don't mind helping keep our nation secure through certain areas, but don't feel I should be forced into it.
I hope that I haven't rubbed anyones cat's hair the wrong way here, but this is the way I feel. This post is just to pass on the way I feel, and not to say that anyone else's opinion is wrong. That would be a biased judgement since I would obviously side with myself. I am simply giving my answer to other peoples statements, and making some of my own statements.
Edited to fix grammatical error
AVB
Jesus of Cool, I'm bad, I'm nationwide
I've been around for a long time and even I can't utilate my firearms. I'm impressed.
gunsandcigars88
New Member
Devil Doc
When Death smiles, Corpsmen smile back
If you're not willing to go to war or send your children or grandchildren to war, you got no damn business supporting a president that gets us involved in a war. It's as simple as that. The draft issue comes up every now and again to drive a little reality into peoples heads.
Doc.
Doc.