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Atkins Diet

Smokin'Tone

I just might be your huckleberry
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I'm curious about this. Last Sunday's NY Times Magazine had a HUGE expose on diets, and how mainstream doctors are beginning to think Dr. Atkins has been right all these years.

Reason why I'm curious is because Diabetes runs in my family, my mom has it, my dad has it (both Type I-no shots), so I'm scared out of my mind that I'll be next. In this article, they're now saying that the Atkins plan can actually help you not only lose weight, but keep the insulin levels at such a level that even if your at risk for Diabetes, you have a much better chance to missing out on the fun of needles and such.

Anyway, have any of you guys tried it? My youngest brother (he's 21), has been on it for a few months and the weight has come flying off of him (30 pounds in 2 months). The only problem he says is that he feels a little sluggish.

'eh, I dunno. I'm reading his book now, but I was just wondering if anybody else has tried it and what effect it had on your lifestyle.
 
The concept in a nut shell isn't that bad. I feel in my experience with diet and excersise that the Atkins diet takes the no carb concept to the extreme. I'm not sure all the details as I've never been on it myself, but I know quite a few people that have or are on it. There are easier ways IMHO to eat right and stay healthy. Keeping your carb intake lower than what it is now is probably a good idea, but I again think there are better ways. I can't claim to be a nutritionalist, or a professional in the weight lose department, but having been someone you has read countless books and magazines focused on eating right and excersise the last couple years and dropping 50lbs myself while adding lean muscle and now carrying a body fat percentage around 15% (my goal is 8%) I have done some things right along the way and have strong opinions on how it should be done. If your interested I would be glad to converse with you about my opinions and direct you towards some books and publications that I think are good reading. If you want to get a quick start on it I would do these things:

1: Cut your eating portions in 1/2
2: Try to eat low carb/high protien snacks inbetween meals
3: Find time to do 40min. of cardo excersise 4 times a week
4: Whatever you do don't eat anything carb based after dinner
5: Most importantly Drink lots of WATER...I drink alot of Crystal Light watered down because I can't stand drinking water all the time.

You can eat what you've been eating (normal type meals)...After all who in the hell wants to eat a nice juicey Hamburger without the bun????

Well as Emo would say: Just my .02 cents...LOL :D

FYI- You will not feel sluggish...infact you will probably have more energy than you could ever imagine. The woman in your life will be wondering who the "tiger" is in bed with her.LMAO :p
 
Darned funny that you should ask the question. I just check read three of his books after hearing about his diet. Within the last week I have done a lot of research on the Atkins Diet vs. all of the others.

My opinions, for what they're worth.

The Atkins diet restricts carbohydrates to less than 40 grams per day, which is almost impossible to do. It seems EVERYTHING has a little carbs in them. (His original book dated 1972 had 20 grams as the limit.) Lowering carbohydrated certainly DOES stabilize glucose levels as he claims. The new catch phrase in dieting today is called the "Glucose Index." Lowering carb intake removes the spikes that high sugar/glucose foods produce. Glucose Index stabilization is basically what Dr. Atkins advocated way back in 1972. Modern doctors are just now "seeing the light." If I had diabetes in my family history I would be concerned about this too. That's about the only think my family doesn't have! Heart disease, cancer, strokes, high cholesterol...we've got that covered.

I have been unable to reconcile his statements that cholesterol and LDL, triglycerides, etc. drop on the Atkins Diet. I am worried about eating all of the high fatty foods over time. Heart disease, etc. I know that he says his diet will reduce these things, but I'm not convinced. Other dieticians, cardiologists, etc. say that he is a liar, huckster, etc. I just don't know, especially now that everyone is "discovering" that his low glucose diet ideas are sound.

Dr. Dean Ornish, low fat guru, "Reversing Heart Disease" diet fame says that, "Dr. Atkins diet is criminal." When you only eat bacon, eggs, steak, pork chops, cheese, butter, etc. the saturated fats that are taken in are tremendous. I find it hard to believe that this can be good for you in the long term. It's hard to believe that the bun is worse for you than the nice juicy hamburger inside.

Basically, I decided that I can't risk going on the Atkins Diet 100% due to the high fat levels in the diet. I have taken a modified approach, namely eat Egg Beaters instead of the eggs Atkins recommends. Canadian bacon, instead of the high fat bacon, broiled fish, brown rice, vegetables, more salads, which he doesn't recommend. No sugar - I use Equal substitute. As little bread as possible. These two things I agree with Atkins on. Cutting out the sugar EVERYONE agrees on! Dr. Atkins had a heart attack himself, so that puts a large degree of doubt in me. I tried to follow his diet for a few days, I ate all the time according to the diet, and I stayed hungry. Beef, eggs, bacon, butter, etc. Eating all of this stuff is supposed to be "taboo." It's amazing to me that with all of the Billions of dollars spent on diet, exercise, etc. each year...that we still don't have concrete sound advice on this subject.

Another thing. I researched diet pills to try to help lose some weight.
Bad news! Most of the leading pills have Ephedrine, MaHuang (which is a herbal equivalent of Ephedrine), or super high levels of caffine. Why are all these so bad? Because they are vascular CONSTRICTORS! If a person has heart problems, like I do, high cholesterol, vascular occlusions or stenosis, etc, a constrictor is just like Russian roulette. I was interested in possibly taking Metabolife, etc. to lose weight since they so such highly published testimonials of weight loss. True, but they have ephedrine or the equivalent in them. No deal. Too risky! I think that drinking Diet Cokes WITH caffine would be about the same as taking a diet pill. Dexatrim and others have a new formula that is "Ephedrine Free." What did they do? Replaced the ephedrine with super high levels of caffine. Sounds like that soft drink "Jolt."

All in all, I have come to conclusion that I will try to reduce the fats to 10% maximum, eat as little bread and sugar as possible, increase protein in the form of Egg Beaters, tuna, broiled chicken and fish, vegetables, brown rice, etc. and exercise more.

I am also thinking of buying a treadmill and walking at least 3 or 4 miles a day. I have done research on this also. I think that the best bang for the buck treadmill is found at the following site. I will be pricing and walking on one in MY house probably within a week....hopefully. Check out their heart rate models.

http://www.pacemaster.com/

I would like to believe Dr. Atkins...I really would. Some of the weight lose results of his patients are tremendous...hundreds of pounds in some cases. Worse case scenario I would try to follow it strictly and see what happens. I would think that a person would have to keep close tabs on their cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL, etc. to make sure it was doing was he says it does. His diet goes 180 degrees against the basic diet fundamentals as we know them today. I am not yet convinced of his claims, but I am willing to keep an open mind. If my modified diet doesn't work....it has in the past though (semi-vegetarian), I might try his diet. By the way, I researched vegetarianism also. They live much longer and healthier than any other group. Example: China/Japan. Vegetarians have lowest cholersterol, HDL levels, heart problems, etc. I, personally, think that a modified vegetarian diet (add broiled chicken, fish, tuna fish sandwiches, Egg Beaters, pasta, brown rice, etc.) is probably the way to go at this point. Especially if you have had a heart attack, have a family history of heart problems, have high cholesterol, cancer, etc.

I hope my research helps!

Sam
 
Very good advice Beast!

All of your suggestions are right on what everyone recommends, especially the cardio and the water.

I forgot the part about drinking a larger amount of water. I had a girl friend, back when I was in my early 20's, who kept a glass of ice water on her desk at work. She sipped and refilled the glass all day. She walked everyday at her hour for lunch. She watched her diet...and she went from a size 14 dress when I met her down to a size 6 dress and has NEVER put the weight back on. She is 46 now and still looks outstanding. No, I didn't marry her...but I really did/do respect her for losing the weight and keeping it off.

I also dated a really petite gorgeous lady, a size 4, who ate like a damned horse when we went out on a date...far more than I could...twice as much. Several mixed drinks. I found out later that she only did this very rarely....only when someone else was paying for it. LMAO! Normally she ate a lowfat diet: salads, chicken, fish, etc....healthy. Darned if she didn't have me fooled for a while. She took me grocery shopping one day and set me straight on what she REALLY ate. Size 4! Sigh. Lord she was a handful!

Another funny thing! When I was around 20 years old, my lunch at work was a cheese sandwich, a bag of chips, and a 12 ounce Coke...and I couldn't drink all of the Coke. I weighed 160 lbs...under 10% bodyfat. Strong as an ox! So little food filled me up. Today I can easily drink 4 Cokes at one sitting. One grilled cheese sandwich would be a good appetizer until the pizza comes. LOL! My how times, eating habits, and weight changes as we get a little older!

I like the Crystal Light suggestion also. I've never tried that before.

Sam
 
Great advice from both of ya. I'm kind of lucky I guess in one sense, family history only has the cancer and dibetes in it.

I'm really skeptical of Atkins, but his book (it's updated to 2002) is pretty darn convincing, especially when he talks about how the insulin and HDL, LDL, E-I-E-I-O works. I'm not obese in any way, and I'm pretty active (weekends are spent chasing down fires, and I lift weights, etc, walk a lot, I have no car), so I'm not TOO worried, but worried enough to want to do better. I've tried vegetarianism, and to be honest, I feel bad by the way animals are treated, cause I'm an animal sucker, but I just like my meat too much. I stayed with it for 2 weeks, lost about 8 pounds, but couldn't deal. The soy was a killer on my stomach. Anyway.

I hear what both you guys are saying. In fact, ever since I've been with Fran, I've cut out soda, which was like crack to me. She drinks nothing but water, so I switched too. I'll drink teas, but it's mostly water now. So that cuts out the empty calories and high sugar stuff.

But to only have 20g of carbs?!? Crikey, I'm Italian for cipessake! LOL. But seriously, after I finish his book, I may try it out. I only want to lose about 25 pounds, and I need something drastic to cut them, it's the last 25 pounds of crap fat still on me.I think the problem is because I feel that I've plateu'd, lifting heavier does nothing but make me stronger (which is pretty cool. I can open pickle jars much easier now LOL), and walking only tones me (which makes for good 'whoo, look at his legs' comments). But the gut. God, the gut. Calgon! Take me away!

LOL, it's pretty funny listening to a guy whine about his 'body image' problems, ain't it?

Maybe a mixed bag like Beast is suggesting is the way for me. I'd be willing to give pretty much anything a shot. Giving up sugar shouldn't be all that hard, but the bread and pasta.... man, that's asking a lot :p
 
The Atkins diet is a bit extreme, but so can the weight loss...I fluctuate weight depending oh how I am eating,excersing, and working. When I am in "weight loss mode" I try lo limit my carbs to %15 of my daily diet. And of that %15, 3 quartes of it is at lunch time or before. I aim for 0 carbs the remaining of the day, allowing for a little from vegetables. My fat will remain around %20-%25 and the remaining from high quality protein. Lemme tell ya, that is a lot of damn protein. I also do all my planned cardio prior to my first meal or snack. Usually 15-45 minutes 4-5 times a week. I don't take in anything but protein for at lest 30-45 minutes from working out. This will maximize fat loss for my body type. I usually have plenty of energy for the day.
Water is the key here on my diet...Keeps from feeling hungry for the most part. Also, I will limit all my simple carbs to fruit and veggies. Otherwise it is Pasta, whole wheat bread, or the ocassional potato. Remember no carbs 3 hours before bed. Depending on my exercise routine I am able to drop 2-3 pounds a week and feel great. In my house we also drink Crystal light as an alternative to water. Invest in a water cooler...the water is cheaper than bottles, tastes better than tap, and always cold. That my .02.

Emo
Oh yeah, allow 1 day a week as a cheat day and double your carbs. Keep them early in the day, and none after dinner. When you come off the diet, wean yourself a little more carbs every few days or yourt weight will ballon.
 
Dang Emo, you have the spy cam on in my house or what? I do just about everything you wrote, except for the water cooler. I use a Brita and a huge 2 gallon container.

Hmmm, all these sound really great.

heheh, I know, I'll just call Richard Simmons :p
 
How about we create our own little support group with a little competitive side incentive ;) (as if loosing the weight isn't enough) :D

Everyone puts up 1 or 2 smokes. Target goal 25 lbs. each. First one to the target wins the cigars :D I have always found when going on any program having someone to share the ups and downs ;) (no pun intended) helps motivate you. If this sounds like a good idea we can discuss further details.

Has anyone every seen the Body for Life plan and what are your opinions.
 
I actually just finished BfL, and I didn't like it. The guy that wrote it owns a muscle magazine, and it kind of looked like all the articles he's ever written thrown into one book. IMO, I'm impressed with all of the lifestyle changes, because you've got pics to show for it, but for me, BfL isn't worth it. I don't want to bulk, and it looks more like a amauter (sp) bodybuilding program. Atkins I've seen with my own eyes, boy, when my brother came over a month later and was 30 pounds lighter, I was shocked. Weight Watchers... I dunno about that. Fran is on that and it's working wonders for her, but she's tiny to begin with. She walks a block and burns a bazillion calories LOL. But the point thing is just not for me.

I'm getting the Atkins 2k2 book this week in the mail along with a free sampler thing. Check out http://atkinscenter.com/index.html, order something and you'll get that freebie thing too. I think it's good until the end of this month. I've printed out enough articles to get myself started. Tomorrow. Today is my last carbo laden day, I'm making linguine with clam sauce, and a loaf of crusty bread. Last meal. Then it's on baby. I'm at 250 right now, and I need to get down to 200-210. More wouldn't hurt, but then I'd lose some mass, which I'm not sure I want or need, the stress of the past year has made me re-think my options. I love the firefighting, love that I can save people, but I'm beginning to get selfish. I want to get married, have kids, and be around to see them grow up. I've lost a lot of good friends from 9/11 and fires. Taxes the mind pretty bad, and I've been thinking of retiring from the volunteer squad.

Anyway

I'd love to have our own little support group. I could use the support to be honest, because after working all day, sitting at the firehouse, I'm in no mood to be motivated LOL. That sounds like a spectacular idea.

Gideeeyup!
 
I'm reading quite a bit of good advice here. Several years ago I decided to "get healthy" and read quite a bit about the subject. I had for the longest time been one of those guys that could eat any and everything in the house and never budge off of 175 lbs. As most of us know, age does funny things to our bodies and before I knew it I was hunkering around 230. After all of my research I concluded that the way to do it was with diet and exercise.....gee, where have I heard that before. :lookup:

I'm a bit of a fanatic when it comes to taking on projects. I always have felt if you're going to do it, you just as well do it right. The three things that were most important was Diet, Exercise, and Water. The diet was a calorie counter. I believe it was about 2,100 calories a day. The single most important part of the diet other then staying within your calorie count was eating 5 times a day. Yes, 5 times a day. This prevents the body from becoming hungry and storing fat. This type of diet also makes you learn about the foods you are eating which was a real eye opener for me. You do have to make yourself eat each and every time and never, never skip a meal. We are all condition to allow our bodies to tell us when we're hungry instead of eating before. This is not an easy step, but if you stay focus it becomes easier as you condition yourself.

In the beginning, just like eating 5 times a day, I couldn't drink more then a couple of bottles a day. I laugh now at how easy it is. Drink, Drink, and Drink some more..... :thumbs: I agree with the Crystal Light... thats stuff is pretty good. I use to also buy pure Welches Grape Juice and take my water bottles and fill them about half and half with water. It tasted like water down grape juice but was a nice change from plain ol water. I always drank a bottle of water before a meal. Notice I said before and not during.

The exercise thing is always the bigest pain..... I had always considered myself in decent shape until I got myself on a cardio/weight lifting program. OUCH! A good friend of mine is a trainer and he helped me put together a program as long as I would work out with him. (He use to work out with his wife but they were seperating and yada, yada ,yada..... ) The day after my first work out I couldn't move. ROFLMAO......really, I couldn't move! I thought all of my joints and bones had broke and would never work again. Eventually, everything was humming along quite nicely and I had become a fanatic...... within 3 months I was working out 6 days a week approx 60 to 90 minutes a workout. Since I was more on a weight losing venture in the beginning my workout schedule alternated between cardio and weightlifting. Monday- cardio, Tuesday- weights upper body, Wed- cardio, Thurs.- weights legs, Fri- cardio, Sat- weights upper body, Sun- rest. I eventually increased the weight lifting and put the cardio work out in a regular rotation with everything else.

I maintained this total program for 9 months until I screwed up my shoulder. I got a little too carried away trying to push myself and am just now getting to where I believe I can return. (its been 2 years) One of things that you do need to pay attention to is pain. There are different types of pains. I'm not talking about the pains from the muscles getting a work out..... I'm talking about injury pain. Ignoring it only makes it worse and prolongs the recovery. Had I listen to my body instead of my ego I wouldn't have had to sit out for so long to recover.

The rewards: I went from 230 to 195 in weight. I had dropped to 185 but started working on bulking up. Muscle weighs more then fat. Can't find my workout book but I I do remember my body fat % had gone to the mid teens. (Damn Beast, 8% is competition level :0 ) I was a new person and felt it. The energy level was thru the roof. I remember my buddy taking my numbers and figured I had lost about 60lbs of fat when figuring body fat vs muscle. :thumbs: Hopefully, my doctor appt next month will give me the all clear to get back into it. I'm back up to 215 at the moment.

IMHO, it needs to be a lifestyle change..... period! Is it easy? Hell no, not at first anyway. It takes discipline, lots and lots of discipline but the rewards are worth it.

Sorry for the babbling. I had only meant to say there are no short cuts. :sign:
 
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