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Bush to veto new tobacco tax bill

I don't believe the Congress has the votes to override Bush's veto. :whistling:
 
Woo Hoo! I am sure it's only a temporary setback for the collectivists.
 
I like this quote from the article...

It would be financed by raising the federal cigarette tax by 61 cents to $1 per pack.
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No mention of the raping of the taxes on cigars, though...
 
Has anyone seen what the Cigar tax and cap is in the compromise bill? I know the senate passed the 56%/$10 version, but I thought the house had a smaller cap and no inventory tax.
 
mmburtch said:
Has anyone seen what the Cigar tax and cap is in the compromise bill? I know the senate passed the 56%/$10 version, but I thought the house had a smaller cap and no inventory tax.
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Last I heard it's the Senate version, but they dropped the cap to $3.
 
mmburtch said:
Has anyone seen what the Cigar tax and cap is in the compromise bill? I know the senate passed the 56%/$10 version, but I thought the house had a smaller cap and no inventory tax.
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I thought I read that the compromise bill set the cap at $1. But of course I can't find that now. It's like I heard it from a guy, who heard it from another guy . . .
 
StinkiMonki said:
mmburtch said:
Has anyone seen what the Cigar tax and cap is in the compromise bill? I know the senate passed the 56%/$10 version, but I thought the house had a smaller cap and no inventory tax.
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I thought I read that the compromise bill set the cap at $1. But of course I can't find that now. It's like I heard it from a guy, who heard it from another guy . . .
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It doesn't matter because like I said, our savior (George Bush) is going to VETO it anyway.

As I said in another thread, if this stupid children's health care bill is such a great fuggen idea then EVERYONE should pay for it but Congress (especially the tax and spend Democrats) knows damned well that the more they raise taxes on everyone, the more they increase their chances of losing Congress so they pick on the tobacco users which is a sleazy, scumbag, lowlife way to operate.

When are you Illinois people going to toss that $hitball Durbin out on his ass? ???
 
coventrycat86 said:
StinkiMonki said:
mmburtch said:
Has anyone seen what the Cigar tax and cap is in the compromise bill? I know the senate passed the 56%/$10 version, but I thought the house had a smaller cap and no inventory tax.
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I thought I read that the compromise bill set the cap at $1. But of course I can't find that now. It's like I heard it from a guy, who heard it from another guy . . .
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It doesn't matter because like I said, our savior (George Bush) is going to VETO it anyway.

As I said in another thread, if this stupid children's health care bill is such a great fuggen idea then EVERYONE should pay for it but Congress (especially the tax and spend Democrats) knows damned well that the more they raise taxes on everyone, the more they increase their chances of losing Congress so they pick on the tobacco users which is a sleazy, scumbag, lowlife way to operate.

When are you Illinois people going to toss that $hitball Durbin out on his ass? ???
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Recent news story on this reported that there are enough votes to override his veto. :(

I was also outraged by the fact that there was very little "facts" in the story. It centered on this bill being a "health care for the poor children" and that evil Pres. Bush wants them to go without. What they failed to mention was that the bill is an increase over an already overly bloated and poorly managed government program. What they failed to mention was that Pres. Bush has said that he would authorize the program at a level lower than the bill wants but higher than the current program provided that the funding source is revised. They also failed to mention that the costs are to be born by only a fraction of the citizens. Additionally, there was no mention of the fact that this program is redundant with Medi-Cal (or your state's program), Medi-Care and other such low-income medical insurance providers. Lastly, it also did not mention that a large percentage of uninsured families have made the conscious choice not to purchase insurance - deciding to have nicer houses, nicer cars, cell phones (with optional PIX & TXT messaging), LCD/Plasma HDTV, cable, satelite, Pay-per-View and movie channels, computers, high-speed internet access, IPODs, X-Box 360, and . . . and . . .

:sign:
 
In the letters I have sent my congressmen and senators (I have sent no less than 10 emails opposing this bill), I suggested they tax soft drinks, fast food, snacks and candy instead of tobacco, as those items are directly contributing to childhood obesity and childhood health problems. Not to mention lack of exercise adn the cutting of phys ed classes in school.
The reply letters I received from them were basically canned letters and no mention of cigars, basically, they don't give a crap about what I have to say...I actually wrote to one congressman that the tobacco tax is an unoriginal idea, and thanked his staffer for for writing a caged letter...I have yet to get a response from that email. Next year, I again, will vote accordingly.
At least Mr. Bush can "see the forest through the trees" on this particular issue.
Rob
 
I too have received canned letters and have complained to my congressman and both senators to no avail. I guess my vote doesn't count either.
 
When the President vetos and it goes back for an override vote, we get on the PHONE! Emails, faxes, and the ilk will have far less impact than a phone call.
 
Now typically this stuff takes time right? what happens if theres a new administration, dose it have to get reviewed again?
 
The long dreaded SCHIP legislation has now passed both Houses of Congress.
It will now go to President Bush, who vows he will veto the current
legislation. That action by the President should take place by the end of
the week.
Fortunately, at this time the House does not have enough votes to override a
Presidential veto.
Thus, both Houses of Congress will need to prepare for that eventuality with
legislation that will provide temporary funding for SCHIP to continue beyond
the September 30, 2007.
Then it will be a matter of waiting to see just how determined both Houses
of Congress are to enlarge the scope of SCHIP on the back of the tobacco
industry.
But, before anyone can plan for tomorrow we will need the President to
follow thru with his commitment to veto the current legislation.

Charles J. Janigian
President
California Association of Retail Tobacconists, Inc.
 
Just in case anyone is interested, here's a refresher on how this works:

1. Bill is introduced to Congress (in this case it was the Senate)
2. Bill is passed by Congressional Sub-committee (again, this was a Senate committee)
3. Bill must be passed in both the Senate and House (this has happened)
4. Bill goes to the President for signature (as we know, President will veto)

5. One of two things can happen here. A) The Bill will be tabled for a later vote or sent back to the committee for revisions or B) Vote to override. For an override, a 2/3 majority is needed in both the House and the Senate. If the override fails, the Bill dies.

Death to Bill, Death to Bill, Death to Bill, Death to Phil, Death to Phil...I mean Bill, Death to Bill....
 
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