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Cohibin's Cohiba
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Fact of the matter is, if you band them with what you believe may be the right band, there is still a chance you are WRONG! With that in mind, the only real solution is to say they are unbanded habanos hand-rolleds. Anything else and you are not sure; which would make you a liar.
If you want to band them and keep them in your humidor, then it doesn't matter. But don't band them and try and sell them or trade them making them seem like they are something they may not be.
If you want to band them and keep them in your humidor, then it doesn't matter. But don't band them and try and sell them or trade them making them seem like they are something they may not be.
Matt R
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I would concur. Even if they were/are legitimate blend ELs of some kind, this can not be verified with anything other than word of mouth, which is useless no matter who it comes from. And as far as Mitchell's comment, I have respect for Mitchell's knowledge so I say this with a bit of reluctance, but you can talk with six different Habanos officials and get six different answers on what was made and what was not. I don't see how his comment relates to anything here, really. These cigars that Cohibin has were obtained not through official means, rather they were obtained through a relative at the factory. Whether any of us choose to believe the legitimacy of this claim or not, the cigars should not be considered "official". Therefore, banding them and selling them as something that can not be verified through specific provenances, is an act of counterfeiting. Of course, all of this is just my opinion.ricmac25 said:
Cohibin, MattR is absolutely correct (look at this, I of so little knowledge trying to lend credibility to what Matt says 
) Furthermore Matt has said it with relative kindness and factual information. This should be a sign to you, leave off the bands, and sell them as custom rolled Cuban collectables.
Others have said the same thing, although they chose to do it in an accusatory and rather hostile manner, but you will find hostility everywhere, so take it with a grain of salt.
For what it is worth, I never questioned your sincerity in this, and I firmly believe that you were slightly misled about the brand. This is why I for one never accused you of any willful deceit. But the time has come to decide if you will leave off the bands, or try to pass them as something that cannot be substantiated. I hope you take the high road and leave the bands off.
) Furthermore Matt has said it with relative kindness and factual information. This should be a sign to you, leave off the bands, and sell them as custom rolled Cuban collectables.Others have said the same thing, although they chose to do it in an accusatory and rather hostile manner, but you will find hostility everywhere, so take it with a grain of salt.
For what it is worth, I never questioned your sincerity in this, and I firmly believe that you were slightly misled about the brand. This is why I for one never accused you of any willful deceit. But the time has come to decide if you will leave off the bands, or try to pass them as something that cannot be substantiated. I hope you take the high road and leave the bands off.
Ok, given the difficulty and speculatory nature of matching a blend to a cigar just by taste-budding it, I won't reband them to sell them. However, I will advertise them as Habanos, since for me, even if a cigar is pulled from production before banding/boxing, it's still as an original authentic Habanos cigar as the one that got boxed (this is a sticky point for many, I know). The oddities, I have 2 options. 1- Replace bands with my own. 2- Leave bands on and advertise the bands are for "presentation and adornment" puroposes only and do not represent a Cohiba blend. I guess I'll see between those.
Just for my own speculation, I'd still like to see if Matt and Tony can determine what blends they are.
Just for my own speculation, I'd still like to see if Matt and Tony can determine what blends they are.
moki
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So... to clarify 100% please... WHO exactly put the Cohiba EL bands on these cigars?Cohibin said:
If it was done by your friend in Cuba, then he was being deceptive. If it was done by you, then you were being deceptive.
IMHO, you planning to put whatever bands you want on them (asking if anyone had any Hoyo bands) is deceptive as well.
They should just be left unbanded, and declared non-production Cuban cigars.
Your second sentance states:Cohibin said:I'M NOT HERE TO SELL ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!emodx said:Cohibin said:
Sell them somewhere else!
So if you weren't going to sell them, why advertise. Many are growing tired of your bantering. I for one am cheesed off by the whole situation. I believe that everyone has a right to sell what ever they want. But everyone here has a right to throw up the bull**** flag too. By your comments to Vewy you obviously don't belong at this forum. We allow a lot of leeway on posts and prefer self moderation over the other alternatives. I am sure if you continue on the path you are on, some one will eventually ask you to leave. So perhaps you should evaluate why you are here at CP. That's my 2 cents.
Emo
I WAS refering to my auctions in Yahoo, which have been part of the debate. I never brought them in here, I never PM'ed anybody soliciting etc, other members posted the links to mock and bash.emodx said:Your second sentance states:Cohibin said:I'M NOT HERE TO SELL ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!emodx said:Cohibin said:
Sell them somewhere else!So if you weren't going to sell them, why advertise. Many are growing tired of your bantering. I for one am cheesed off by the whole situation. I believe that everyone has a right to sell what ever they want. But everyone here has a right to throw up the bull**** flag too. By your comments to Vewy you obviously don't belong at this forum. We allow a lot of leeway on posts and prefer self moderation over the other alternatives. I am sure if you continue on the path you are on, some one will eventually ask you to leave. So perhaps you should evaluate why you are here at CP. That's my 2 cents.
Emo
What happened with Vewy, he insulted me. I guess you didn't read that post. I personally don't stand for direct insults, no matter on whose turf I'm on. That unless you don't consider people calling you a troll, an idiot, a fake and all the other demeaning offensive adjectives, and serious accusations made by him, insults. Be fare. It is one thing to dissagree and voice your opinion, another to take pleasure in direct insults. You just expect me to sit tight as I'm getting bashed? Why didn't you say something to him then and there??
C'mon Emo, get a clue. And Phishy too for that matter. The guy never once offered these cigars for sale here. He had them on auction, but NEVER EVER offered to sell them to anyone on CP. Yet he has been under constant attack by a select few who think they may be the WHOLE friggin Police Department in our self policing society. I believe if you were treated as he has been, you may also have lashed out a time or two.
What happened to this being a friendly place? is that gone? have we gotten so big that we don't need to be cival anymore?
This place is beginning to feel more and more like CF instead of CP, no wonder so many people who used to post here don't any longer
What happened to this being a friendly place? is that gone? have we gotten so big that we don't need to be cival anymore?
This place is beginning to feel more and more like CF instead of CP, no wonder so many people who used to post here don't any longer
Puro, I said something to Cohibin, and not to you. So please mind your own business. No one needs this pot to be stirred. No one called him anything too derogatory. Fake and trolling are not demeaning. Cohibin, I didn't realize you were selling them at Yahoo exclusively. I was under the impression that you were selling them here. Regardless, this is our site, and if you don't like the way we handle things, you know where the door is at. I am very interested to see what our taste testers have to say, but you make your own bed, so don't be afraid to sleep in it.
Emo
Emo
so, this is OUR site, as you said, and you yourself felt the need to come in here and start something, but you think I should mind my own Biz? so you are our COP now, right, just let me know so I can be sure I have it right. LIVE whaty you preach EMO, you are stirring the POT not me.emodx said:
Puro, you always stir the pot and play the, "poor poor person" part to the T. Trust me, I am not the only one who thinks this, nor am I willing to put up with it anymore. I know a lot of people bite their tongue when it comes to this part about you. I for one won't do it any more.PuroBrat said:
Emo
Emo, perhaps they are not to you, but they are too me. I guess insults are a thing of cultural standards. Besides, they were said with the intent to insult and put down so that makes up for any differences.emodx said:
If you are interested on reading what the testers had to say, go back to the beginning of this topic and read Tony B. and Matt's reports. There are decent people here making it worth staying.
By how you directed yourself to Puro, I can see your take on this. IMO, he didn't deserve that response just because he happened to take a stance and explain the situation in a more favorable light towards me. This is a public forum, and there are good members here making it worth it for me to stay. Your statement of "you know where the door is at" is unecessary. Is this how you treat people who dissagre with you? Just do away with them? Oh, well.
You have had your say in public Emo, and I have had mine. I am not playing any "poor poor person" part as you put it. I am simply saying to you, you can NOT impart your "Self Policing" attitude and in the same breath tell me to "Mind my own bussiness". It IS as much MY Bussiness as yours. If you care to debate that further, I will be happy to speak with you in PMs, this is certainly not the place for it. And I will do my best to overlook your shortcommings as you overlook mine.
I don't care if you go or stay, but the way you handle yourself makes me question your motives. If you want to stay and contribute to this board, people will call you out on questionable things you say. I appologize if you don't like my straight forward personality. I would never be in a position to tell you to leave. I am way to outspoken to be a "moderator".Cohibin said:
Emo
And in case you and others haven't noticed. I've been going out my friggin way to honestly determine in public if there are some identity/authenticity issues with my cigars. You think if I really wanted to scam or rip people off I would go through the trouble of sending my smokes, making the findings public, rationalizing the findings putting myself in contradiction and leting that affect how I portray my auctions which have nothing to do with this forum? Since when do you think I need anybody's approval here to sell something outside of this forum? It's been at all times my consious civic choice to do so, because I do not want to rip people off, not even unintentionally.
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