cuba accepts us aid

[sack]

after the last hurricane castro has accepted aid from the u.s. maybe this will be the start of something new? the openning of trade relations could lead to opening cuba to normal trade and beyond, whadda you think?

 

[Wurm]

Lets hope so... I think the whole situation is silly.

 

[sack]

Lets hope so... I think the whole situation is silly.

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wurm, you hit it right on thr head, all politics if you ask me!

 

[Smokyballs]

They have lifted the embargo on agricutural goods. The people of Miami are the reason the embargo is still in place. George W. isn't going to cause any problems for brother Jeb. It still takes an act of congress to lift it anyway.

 

[hornetguy]

They have lifted the embargo on agricutural goods. The people of Miami are the reason the embargo is still in place. George W. isn't going to cause any problems for brother Jeb. It still takes an act of congress to lift it anyway.

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hmmm... isn't tobacco an agricultural good? :whistling:

 

[Lumberg]

They have lifted the embargo on agricutural goods. The people of Miami are the reason the embargo is still in place. George W. isn't going to cause any problems for brother Jeb. It still takes an act of congress to lift it anyway.

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hmmm... isn't tobacco an agricultural good? :whistling:

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That's what I was thinking.

 

[Smokyballs]

The leaf unfortunatly is not considered that because it is not made in to a good that is consumed(food). Tobacco is considered a luxury item. Finished or unfinished. The prices won't be any lower anyway and we will have to wait for about three dozen lawsuits to be settled over property rights and so on. The embargo is bullsh!t.

 

[sack]

well, i don't want this to turn this thread to a political one, but it sure would be nice if our leaders would do the right thing for the cuban people just like the chinese people.

 

[Lumberg]

The leaf unfortunatly is not considered that because it is not made in to a good that is consumed(food). Tobacco is considered a luxury item. Finished or unfinished. The prices won't be any lower anyway and we will have to wait for about three dozen lawsuits to be settled over property rights and so on. The embargo is bullsh!t.

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Tobacco is consumed, just not ingested!

 

[LeePitts]

as long as Fidel Castro is in power you can forget it. The fact that we are discussing a "sin" also play into effect.

 

[hornetguy]

as long as Fidel Castro is in power you can forget it. The fact that we are discussing a "sin" also play into effect.

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??? a sin? I don't get it.

Seems like ol JFK had a good idea that just didn't work. It also seems like our government would have figured that out.. during LBJ's run as pres. Or Nixon's. Or Ford's.. Or Carter's... you get the idea..
I like Dominicans and Nicaraguans anyway. :thumbs:

 

[Smokyballs]

The leaf unfortunatly is not considered that because it is not made in to a good that is consumed(food). Tobacco is considered a luxury item. Finished or unfinished. The prices won't be any lower anyway and we will have to wait for about three dozen lawsuits to be settled over property rights and so on. The embargo is bullsh!t.

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Tobacco is consumed, just not ingested!

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Moki ingested it! You know what I'm getting at!

 

[LeePitts]

as long as Fidel Castro is in power you can forget it. The fact that we are discussing a "sin" also play into effect.

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??? a sin? I don't get it.

Seems like ol JFK had a good idea that just didn't work. It also seems like our government would have figured that out.. during LBJ's run as pres. Or Nixon's. Or Ford's.. Or Carter's... you get the idea..
I like Dominicans and Nicaraguans anyway. :thumbs:

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You know what I mean. God forbid you may go home and relax with a nice smoke and a single malt. My pastor is a cigar smoker. He says the will not send you to hell, they just help you get to heaven faster..............

 

[Sunward]

Tobacco is consumed, just not ingested!

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I don't inhale (just like Clinton says )

 

[gandolf565]

Moki ingested it! You know what I'm getting at!

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Moki has balls of steel and a cast iron stomach!

 

[fetterjohn]

The leaf unfortunatly is not considered that because it is not made in to a good that is consumed(food). Tobacco is considered a luxury item. Finished or unfinished. The prices won't be any lower anyway and we will have to wait for about three dozen lawsuits to be settled over property rights and so on. The embargo is bullsh!t.

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Tobacco is consumed, just not ingested!

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Moki ingested it! You know what I'm getting at!

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Funny...I just read that today on his website...tobachino. Ouch!!!

-Fetter

 

[OpusX_steve]

I think that would suck, cuban cigar priced would sky rocket. :sign:

 

[OpusX_steve]

Lets hope so... I think the whole situation is silly.

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wurm, you hit it right on thr head, all politics if you ask me!

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Maybe politics, but those politics keep the quality control at passing levels and at low price (compaired to what they would be)

I am a firm believe that the trade embargo against Cuba has had a positive effect on the Cuban cigar quality.

We have all had a fine habana that hasn't lived up to the high standers of a well constructed cigar. But most of the time the massed produced monte no. 2 ( 4 million a year) is a very enjoyable smoke.

With America being one of the largest, if not the largest, cigar consuming nation in the world out of the picture (at least most of us) Cuba is not completely stretched to their limits.

Imagine if the American market was suddenly open to Cuban cigars. Would Cohiba still be at the quality level it is today? What would be the production numbers on the monte no. 2? Double or triple.

My conclusion is, thank God for this politically imposed embargo!


Although it would be cool to see what fuente or padron could do over there.

 

[sack]

Lets hope so... I think the whole situation is silly.

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wurm, you hit it right on thr head, all politics if you ask me!

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Maybe politics, but those politics keep the quality control at passing levels and at low price (compaired to what they would be)

I am a firm believe that the trade embargo against Cuba has had a positive effect on the Cuban cigar quality.

We have all had a fine habana that hasn't lived up to the high standers of a well constructed cigar. But most of the time the massed produced monte no. 2 ( 4 million a year) is a very enjoyable smoke.

With America being one of the largest, if not the largest, cigar consuming nation in the world out of the picture (at least most of us) Cuba is not completely stretched to their limits.

Imagine if the American market was suddenly open to Cuban cigars. Would Cohiba still be at the quality level it is today? What would be the production numbers on the monte no. 2? Double or triple.

My conclusion is, thank God for this politically imposed embargo!


Although it would be cool to see what fuente or padron could do over there.

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never considered padron or fuente going to cuba, wow what a concept, it boggles the mind. i like how you think!

 

[MiamiCubano]

They have lifted the embargo on agricutural goods. The people of Miami are the reason the embargo is still in place. George W. isn't going to cause any problems for brother Jeb. It still takes an act of congress to lift it anyway.

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Number one, I think this thread pushes the envelope a bit on the forum rules esp. w/ regard to "touchy" issues. But, what the hell.

Number two, the "people of Miami?" Hmm. Don't know where in the hell that notion comes from, but whatever gets you through the night, however misguided you may be.

Number three, this is an area that many people cannot ever understand, nor will not ever understand, unless they are of Cuban descent (such as myself) and have been forced to flee their home (such as my family) at the hands of, let's face it, a terrorist. Nothing more, nothing less. Batista was not necessarily a saint, by any means, but as a "Cuban" who is a direct descendant of Jose Marti, you cannot imagine how near and dear this issue is to me, and my family. It is a far wider, and broader issue than many can imagine. And, as much as it does not make sense to give "most-favored-nation" trade status to Red-China, yet keep the embargo against Cuba, there are deeper (and different) issues running here.

Number four, note that I put myself as a "Cuban" in quotes. That's because I am an American. That's point blank and period. Further, I am a Marine who served the finest country in the world. Be glad you don't live in the hell-hole that is Cuba (as some of family who did not get the chance to leave still do), under such a tyrant.

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Btw...the families like Fuente, Padron and Perdomo for instance...they'll never go back to a Cuba that is in any way headed by Fidel (or his family lined up to take over). They made that choice clear decades ago when they too saw what was coming down the pike and had what all that they had taken from them by "the revolution." Just ask Nick, Jorge or Carlito their thoughts on that, and you'll see.

Cuba Libre.