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did london police overreact?

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or did they do the right thing, by shooting the brazilian after they had already captured him. i've been talking with some people and there are opinions on both sides of this issue. in my opinion, killing him was the right thing to do, because he might have had his finger on a trigger for a bomb. i feel bad that he was innocent, but he ran into the train wearing a heavy coat on a warm day and there were people on that train. it could have been worse if he was a bomber, what do you think? :(
 
Oh, boy... I'm sure a couple of our more prominent experts in police tactics and diplomacy will be along any minute..... ;)

But please remember everyone, no matter WHAT they say they do respect the police... :sign:
 
It IS the right time for the thread. I wouldn't want to talk about it at Christmas. However, this is the wrong place as it goes into the "political" area that isn't condoned here in the Lobby.

KayakinBoy said:
Not the right time for this thread, IMHO
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i'm sure that the cops felt that they were doing the right thing and the guy did have some "questionable" behavior as far as the coat and jumping the turnstile. but after learning that he was from brazil, his actions make some sense. crime and corruption in brazil is totally out of control. he probably learned pretty early to run from people with guns no matter how they identified themselves. and as strange as it sounds, 70 in brazil is relatively cool. that place gets Really hot in the summer. not to mention all the homeless people that wear layers and layers of clothes in the spring and summer.

honestly, it was only a matter of time til something like this was going to happen. lets just hope that this isn't the beginning of a trend of more racial profiling. no matter how much we try to get past it, we're all still affected by racism to this day.
 
In retrospect, clearly they made the wrong decision.

However, given the data at the time, the way he acted, and the very plausible perceived threat to innocents, I find it hard to fault them.

Clearly a tragedy no matter how you stack it, though.
 
Before this thread gets out of control, Sack, please read the description of the Lobby.

"New to CP? Come on in and introduce yourself. This forum is for general discussion on most any topic. Please refrain from discussing politics and other "touchy" subjects, and they tend to cause flame wars."

Even though this subject may not be totally political, it may be touchy which in turn can create a flame war. We try to keep CP a cigar related forum. While the Lobby serves as a general discussion area, we have decided to refrain from discussing "touchy" topics.

There are plenty of other forums out there for political/heated discussion. We try to keep CP relatively tame...
 
sorry about that, i put this here because it is the general discussion forum. i just did'nt think it would be a touchy subject, more of an interest of the moment subject.
 
sack said:
sorry about that, i put this here because it is the general discussion forum. i just did'nt think it would be a touchy subject, more of an interest of the moment subject.
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Don't worry about it, sack. I think it was just a matter of bad timing. There has been some moderately heated discussion on another thread that makes this subject a bit touchy at the moment.
 
I think that I am over reacting to some of these beautiful female attachments on some of the posts. All Ican do is stick a small pic of Batman on mine. Does anyone else have trouble with their setting?

As for my view, we are not in their shoe's so we really can't answer that with total reliance to the cause...but I would say they did not...considering.
 
If the person had been a bomber then the police, acting in the heat of the moment with the information presented, would have done the right thing. As mentioned above the guy could have had his finger on the trigger. The fact that the person was later deemed to be "innocent" does not change the facts that the police had to work with at that time and therefore does not change the fact that they did the right thing.

The question should not be one of culpability of the police but rather . . . "Why did that guy run?"
 
JAEwing said:
The question should not be one of culpability of the police but rather . . . "Why did that guy run?"
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That is the $6000 question. Giving the climate of tension in the UK, orders given to the police to "shoot to kill", running was a bad mistake on this gentlemans part.
 
The police did the right thing given the circumstance they found themselves in.In the present climate it is best to shoot first and ask questions later, but the anti war, anti tony blair individuals are going to jump all over this situation.
 
Violence will never be stopped with more violence. It just fuels the fire. Everyone needs to chill out and look into why terrorists are doing what they are doing. There has to be a nonviolent solution. Sorry if this is just too controversial.
 
Fyodor said:
Violence will never be stopped with more violence. It just fuels the fire. Everyone needs to chill out and look into why terrorists are doing what they are doing. There has to be a nonviolent solution. Sorry if this is just too controversial.
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This is not true at all, violence is ALWAYS stopped with violence, it is NEVER EVER resolved peacefully.Wars are ended when one side wins, the only way it has ever worked, talking only prolongs the begining of the violence and prolongs the duration.WE have to defeat terrorism it is the only way.
 
bigmac said:
Fyodor said:
Violence will never be stopped with more violence.  It just fuels the fire.  Everyone needs to chill out and look into why terrorists are doing what they are doing.  There has to be a nonviolent solution.  Sorry if this is just too controversial.
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This is not true at all, violence is ALWAYS stopped with violence, it is NEVER EVER resolved peacefully.Wars are ended when one side wins, the only way it has ever worked, talking only prolongs the begining of the violence and prolongs the duration.WE have to defeat terrorism it is the only way.
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I also believe we have to stop terrorism, I'm hardly on their side. I just think the way we have gone about it will only make it worse. I'm sure I will get many angry responces but I felt it was my duty an an American to say it. Our war with Germany was justified. Is our war with Iraq? Maybe/maybe not. The terrorists are evil, but we seem to be breeding more terrorists everyday. Why do they hate us? Does anyone care? Has the American government been infallible in their relations with the middle east? Again I'm sorry to upset you guys, but I think America and its allies are headed in a bad direction.
 
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