ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
You might want to recheck your math on the centigrade to fahrenheit....
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Global warming or?
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You might want to recheck your math on the centigrade to fahrenheit....
tsmckenney
Mick
I guess my .02 is about to be my .04. Sorry, this is just an area I'm passionate about.
Humans are certainly known for crying "The sky is falling," but years of actual footage showing Antarctica falling into pieces and disappearing into the ocean... How long do we deny just why that is happening? The planet can only accomodate so many people before something has to give, and it is beginning to give. Everyone in this country drives, carbon goes into the air, it is trapped by our atmosphere and things heat up. I guess I don't get where the mystery is. You don't have to be a scientist and you don't have to punch numbers and it doesn't matter who's analyzing those numbers even if they are being punched. It's just common sense.
So, at what point does everyone get on the same page here? My guess is never. I'm pretty sure that even after Antarctica and Greenland are long gone, man will still say there is no such thing as Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever.
Here's to evolution. Cheers.
Humans are certainly known for crying "The sky is falling," but years of actual footage showing Antarctica falling into pieces and disappearing into the ocean... How long do we deny just why that is happening? The planet can only accomodate so many people before something has to give, and it is beginning to give. Everyone in this country drives, carbon goes into the air, it is trapped by our atmosphere and things heat up. I guess I don't get where the mystery is. You don't have to be a scientist and you don't have to punch numbers and it doesn't matter who's analyzing those numbers even if they are being punched. It's just common sense.
So, at what point does everyone get on the same page here? My guess is never. I'm pretty sure that even after Antarctica and Greenland are long gone, man will still say there is no such thing as Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever.
Here's to evolution. Cheers.
vortex
"A billion Eddie Barzoons jogging into the future
No Politics, PLEASE!
smokinbolt
New Member
I have never heard of the Little Ice Age before but think it was a good read that shows the reoccuring ups and downs of our climate.
smokinbolt
New Member
7/10 of a degree or .7 degrees celsius is equal to 33.26 degrees farenhiet.
smokinbolt
New Member
So common sense tells us that one part carbon and two parts oxygen OR one part carbon one part oxygen destroy three parts oxygen? If that is true and all oxygen atoms are equal, then one carbon atom is greater than one oxygen atoms for ozone vs CO2, or for CO, the carbon is greater than two oxygen atoms. Unless the oxygen atom from the carbon monoxide joins forces with the ozone to create 04, which is still lesser than one carbon atom, or in the case of carbon dioxide 05 is lesser than one carbon. Hmmm... I think I could make a good movie out of this.
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Yes, but 32 degrees F is equivalent to 0 degrees C.
Also, you might want to check out your chemistry...CO reacts to produce more O3, but, O3 is a major greenhouse gas closer to Earth...
smokinbolt
New Member
Yes, but 32 degrees F is equivalent to 0 degrees C.
Also, you might want to check out your chemistry...CO reacts to produce more O3, but, O3 is a major greenhouse gas closer to Earth...
If I remember my chemistry right, ozone is 03. I'll check into it in the next couple days.
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Yes, but 32 degrees F is equivalent to 0 degrees C.
Also, you might want to check out your chemistry...CO reacts to produce more O3, but, O3 is a major greenhouse gas closer to Earth...
If I remember my chemistry right, ozone is 03. I'll check into it in the next couple days.
O3 is ozone, also, I'm not so sure how CO2 reacts with O2, they're both pretty stable molecules.
Seavita
Active Member
Warming, cooling whatever it is, there can be no real harm in being a bit more aware of emissions and usage. It certainly would not "hurt" the climate to lessen green house gas and em missions, right? I am far from guilty myself with boats and cars. However, at the same time I have in fact switched to low-energy light bulbs, am vehement about recycling, using only energy star compliant big appliances, and those only late at night and early in the morning, partake in clean-up and environmental issues whenever possible , and lastly take public transportation to and from work daily.
Perhaps if we all just did one or two things, both believer and non-believers could come to a middle ground and then see if there is really an impact. If there is none it is easy to go back to excess, but likely when we learn to live in moderation it will not be so appealing to be excessive.
Perhaps if we all just did one or two things, both believer and non-believers could come to a middle ground and then see if there is really an impact. If there is none it is easy to go back to excess, but likely when we learn to live in moderation it will not be so appealing to be excessive.
For what it's worth....
Since we're on the base10 system..
Cigar 1-9 years old = CO
10-19 years old = CO2
20-29 years old = CO3- An icy atmosphere
CO3 could be the key to formation of interstellar ices.
Heard the one about the boring party on Mars? Apparently there was no atmosphere. So goes the old joke, but the actual composition of both Earthly and Martian atmospheres is being closely monitored by a group of researchers from the US.
The planetary atmospheres of Earth and Mars as well as those of comets contain ices made from carbon dioxide and ozone. The processes that rule the formation of these carbon dioxide ices at low temperatures are something of a mystery.
Ralf Kaiser at the University of Hawai’i at Manou and colleagues from Florida International University, have cooled things right down in the lab and formed carbon trioxide, CO3, by bombarding carbon dioxide and molecular oxygen with electrons at a very chilly temperature of 10K. Kaiser claims that the molecule is present in the ices found on Mars and has looked at its formation both experimentally and theoretically. The researchers investigated a cyclic version of CO3 and found that it was the only isomer of this molecule that could be detected. Potentially important as an intermediate in making carbon dioxide ices, it seems that CO3 might be responsible for the presence of an enriched form of oxygen within atmospheric CO2. During its decomposition, CO3 manages to trap the heavy 18O atom and incorporate it into the resulting product – carbon dioxide.
David Williams, from University College, London, UK, who works on the astrochemistry of star-forming regions, suggests that the detection of CO3 is a potential breakthrough. ‘Carbon trioxide has not yet been detected… the experiments reported here show that conversion of CO2 to CO3 can occur. The amount of CO3 might be detectable. Reactions of this type may be responsible for making quite complex molecules inside interstellar ices.’ So, what does this mean for future Martian visitations?
Could further research in this area eventually lead to interplanetary habitation? Perhaps this isn’t such an outlandish concept; Kaiser himself says ‘our experiments suggest that carbon dioxide frosts might have trapped a significant amount of oxygen and ozone which might be utilised in a future colonisation of Mars.’
Moral to the story:
Smoke cigars 20-29 years old, it's good for the environment :sign:
Since we're on the base10 system..
Cigar 1-9 years old = CO
10-19 years old = CO2
20-29 years old = CO3- An icy atmosphere
CO3 could be the key to formation of interstellar ices.
Heard the one about the boring party on Mars? Apparently there was no atmosphere. So goes the old joke, but the actual composition of both Earthly and Martian atmospheres is being closely monitored by a group of researchers from the US.
The planetary atmospheres of Earth and Mars as well as those of comets contain ices made from carbon dioxide and ozone. The processes that rule the formation of these carbon dioxide ices at low temperatures are something of a mystery.
Ralf Kaiser at the University of Hawai’i at Manou and colleagues from Florida International University, have cooled things right down in the lab and formed carbon trioxide, CO3, by bombarding carbon dioxide and molecular oxygen with electrons at a very chilly temperature of 10K. Kaiser claims that the molecule is present in the ices found on Mars and has looked at its formation both experimentally and theoretically. The researchers investigated a cyclic version of CO3 and found that it was the only isomer of this molecule that could be detected. Potentially important as an intermediate in making carbon dioxide ices, it seems that CO3 might be responsible for the presence of an enriched form of oxygen within atmospheric CO2. During its decomposition, CO3 manages to trap the heavy 18O atom and incorporate it into the resulting product – carbon dioxide.
David Williams, from University College, London, UK, who works on the astrochemistry of star-forming regions, suggests that the detection of CO3 is a potential breakthrough. ‘Carbon trioxide has not yet been detected… the experiments reported here show that conversion of CO2 to CO3 can occur. The amount of CO3 might be detectable. Reactions of this type may be responsible for making quite complex molecules inside interstellar ices.’ So, what does this mean for future Martian visitations?
Could further research in this area eventually lead to interplanetary habitation? Perhaps this isn’t such an outlandish concept; Kaiser himself says ‘our experiments suggest that carbon dioxide frosts might have trapped a significant amount of oxygen and ozone which might be utilised in a future colonisation of Mars.’
Moral to the story:
Smoke cigars 20-29 years old, it's good for the environment :sign:
tsmckenney
Mick
I don't regret posting in this thread, but as vortie said, "No Politics PLEASE." It's unfortunate that our environment, the world in which we live, is actually considered 'politics'. BUT, it is, and he's right.
This is about smoking cigars. Which is a GD beautiful thing. Here's to some good advice, and here's to smoking some good cigars.
Cheers.
ts
This is about smoking cigars. Which is a GD beautiful thing. Here's to some good advice, and here's to smoking some good cigars.
Cheers.
ts
AVB
Jesus of Cool, I'm bad, I'm nationwide
Some of you folks have no math skills at all :0
100C = 212F so 1C =2.12F and that means .7C is equal to 1.48F Average global temperature has gone up about 1.5 degrees if your information is correct.
100C = 212F so 1C =2.12F and that means .7C is equal to 1.48F Average global temperature has gone up about 1.5 degrees if your information is correct.
You are correct in your math and this is the number I've seen most quoted in recent readings. It all depends on "up" as compared to "when". Since recorded history is but a gnats-ass compared to the history of the planet...I find it very amusing that mankind can be so brash as to claim responsibility to changes in the weather patterns.
As everyone knows (or should know), you can say whatever you want with statistics.
Without understanding of the base, the reader is but mindless mush waiting to be molded...or so hopes the author.
Mind you, I have no doubt that we, as inhabitants, need to do everything feasible to help...
I'll do my part and smoke only those cigars aged older than 19 years as found above in my "scientific study". :sign:
Devil Doc
When Death smiles, Corpsmen smile back
The hell with the science and the math. Any farmer or serious gardner in these parts knows somethings up. Sugaring season from time immemorial has been at least six weeks. Now it's maybe, if you're lucky, four. Only a damn fool around here planted his garden before May 30th. Now you can plant tomatoes in the middle of May. My growing season has increased by two weeks at least. Some people need to open their eyes.
Doc.
Doc.
hoshnasi
Hobbling hero
Just wondering.. Open our eyes to see what?
Devil Doc
When Death smiles, Corpsmen smile back
hoshnasi
Hobbling hero
no no, they are peeled. Just wondering if the fact its warmer a few weeks earlier meant anything more then its warmer a few weeks earlier.
Edit to say I'm not gonna get all political anymore. Love this place too much to start drawing lines. I'd be happy to smoke with anyone of you fine people here.
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
AVB
Jesus of Cool, I'm bad, I'm nationwide
I'd like to see how you came up with that but we are actually both wrong.
Since 0C starts at 32F the correct delineation would be 100C=180F (180 +32 = 212) the constant boiling point of water at sea level. So 1C would equal 1.8F and .7C would therefore equal 1.26F
Since 0C starts at 32F the correct delineation would be 100C=180F (180 +32 = 212) the constant boiling point of water at sea level. So 1C would equal 1.8F and .7C would therefore equal 1.26F