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Irrational, Disrespectful and Rude?
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mrjinglesusa
CP Chemist
Thanks bro. As far as I am aware, there is only ONE person who has the opinion expressed by coventrycat and that's, well, coventrycat. I've got some interesting reading material lined up so people can form their own opinions about who's "irrational, disrespectful, and rude." Should be fun. If I'm going out, I'm going out with a bang. 
Lee
Well-Known Member
This thing between Jim and Bill is irrelevant.
The real issue is why Jim's secret santa hasn't sent his gift out! I'm sure many won't be surprised at who it is.....he's pulled this shit before!
The real issue is why Jim's secret santa hasn't sent his gift out! I'm sure many won't be surprised at who it is.....he's pulled this shit before!
mrjinglesusa
CP Chemist
Lee said:
Actually, this "thing" between Bill and I is relevant. More than once, Bill has publicly made comments like the one he made in that thread about me. He doesn't consider them personal. He has sent me a nasty PM, refused to accept apologies (instead responding with obscenity-laced PMs), and has publicly tried to discredit and smear me. Coming from a "FOG" that many new guys look up to this is not acceptable. I'm fed up with it. I don't care if he's a "respected FOG" or not - it's going to stop.
Just take a look at his last post in that thread (made right before he LOCKED it) and you can see what I've been dealing with both in private and in public.
Well Bill can be a little crass sometimes. He is different kind of Cat. Having butted heads with him once, I know what I am talking about. I also know he isn't full o $hit, or a bad guy. I am sure it is misinterpretation by both parties. PM's/emails are pretty informal and things are easily misconstrued.
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mrjinglesusa
CP Chemist
emodx said:
Kind of hard to "misconstrue" this:
PM from Bill on 12/13/05 (Cigar Snobs PM):
Yep, sure sounds like a rational, "good" guy to me. Oh, and the "absolute pile of bullshit" was this:
Matty_Vegas
Wayne Newton Mafia Boss
WOW!!!
this is insane!
I know I don't post alot but MrJingles has always been a righteous brother by me...Drama destroys good message boards..and boy is this some high quality drama!!!
this is insane!
I know I don't post alot but MrJingles has always been a righteous brother by me...Drama destroys good message boards..and boy is this some high quality drama!!!
CoventryCat86
Corresponding authority
jingles, how about you post the emails you sent me?
stevehawk, you are obviously clueless and have no idea what you're talking about. Seeing how you're a nominee for asshat of the year, I think that speaks for itself :laugh:
stevehawk, you are obviously clueless and have no idea what you're talking about. Seeing how you're a nominee for asshat of the year, I think that speaks for itself :laugh:
mrjinglesusa
CP Chemist
coventrycat86 said:
How about I post everything related to this personal issue you have with me? Let's link to the thread where all of this started. Then, we'll delve into my PMs to you explaining why I disagreed. We'll then get into your PMs back to me. After that, we can take a look at a few other threads where you thought I was trying to make you look stupid, when in fact I replied to you just as I would have to ANYONE who posted what you posted. Sound good? OK, here we go....
Sorry for all the links and such but this post would have been really long otherwise. Happy reading....
I may not be a “FOG” yet but I’ve been on CP almost a year now. I have participated in passes, trades, sales, and contributed to the board. I have sent out more cigars than I can count and have received a bomb or two myself. I think I have proven myself by my posts and my actions to be an honest, stand-up guy. I have met and smoked with several people from the board. I have people here whom I consider friends.
Guess what, it doesn’t matter in the least since I disagreed publicly with coventrycat68 (Bill). You might think you can have a civil discussion and discuss your opinion openly with him. You would be wrong.
Here is evidence of that and where this entire “feud” began:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=257425
You may notice that I was civil and respectful throughout. I only expressed an opposing view and offered reasons why I disagreed with Bill on this issue. After that exchange, I decided to offer a solution and started a topic to address the issue at hand:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forumsipb/index.php?showtopic=17399
Thinking I should explain to Bill my position in private, I sent a PM to him:
PM to Bill on 12/2/05
Bill's Response on 12/3/05
Hmm, that didn’t work. I received some PMs from people I respect explaining why I maybe went about things the wrong way. After some thought, I agreed I could have handled things better (i.e. in private). I tried to PM Bill to apologize but found he blocked PMs from me after his response to my PM (first hint I wasn’t dealing with a rational person). So, I tried another board (Cigar Snobs) I know he frequents and sent him an apology:
PM to Bill on 12/4/05
I thought this was the end of things although I didn’t get any response to my apology. Over a week goes by and then I responded to a post Bill made in a manner that apparently offended him:
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=262341
I guess once you disagree with him in public, you aren’t allowed to reply to his posts in the future – otherwise you are “trying to make him look stupid.” Since he couldn’t get in the last word, I got this PM from Bill (on another board), after which he blocked PMs from me there as well:
PM from Bill on 12/13/05
Following this, I received this email from Bill (Note, this was sent 3 hours after the nasty PM I received):
Email from Bill on 12/13/05
I responded through PM (since he turned them back on).
My Response to Bll
Then, there was a series of emails exchanged on 12/14/05 where apparently Bill thought I was “rude, irrational, and disrespectful”:
Bill’s email to me on 12/14/05, 2:10 pm (response to my PM):
Bill's Email #1
Another email with a PM Bill received on 12/14/05, 2:47 pm:
Bill Email #2
Further email exchange:
Email Exchange on 12/14/05
So, now I am fully entrenched as Public Enemy #1 with a “respected” member of Cigar Pass, who is “friends” with other respected members. My history on the board means nothing to him because he has made things personal against me. I cannot respond to anything he says (who knows, he may take offense at it again) because it may result in him trying to turn other people against me.
I had Bill on ignore and then I respond to a post in a thread on Fuente products at Tampa Sweethearts. Curiosity got the better of me and I looked at Bill’s post in that thread, where he decides to take exception with my post.
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=265154
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=265363
Finally, and the last straw IMO, I had not received anything from my Secret Santa. I emailed Bill (as per his instructions) letting him know I didn’t get anything as of 12/24/05. I didn’t hear anything from him so posted in my SS thread. You can read for yourself what his response was and draw your own conclusions about who is “irrational, rude, and disrespectful.” I think Bill’s last post in that thread says it all. After posting he locked the thread. LMAO.
http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/index.php?...ndpost&p=267077
If you don’t want this to happen to you, no matter how long you have been here, bite your tongue and don’t disagree with Bill, in public or in private. Better yet, do as others have done and put him on your ignore list – then you don’t even have to read his asinine posts or his flaming, obnoxious, and obscenity-laced PMs. Forget apologizing, he won’t accept it and/or will say it wasn’t sincere.
I urge people to read the linked threads, PMs, and emails so you understand what type of person you are dealing with here. He is irrational, uncivil, childish, and will send you vulgar, hateful PMs and then block PMs from you so you cannot respond.
No true BOTL would say the things Bill has said to me (both in public and in private), especially in light of the posts I made in the above linked threads. Nowhere did I personally attack Bill or say anything (in public or private) to elicit the response I got from him. He didn’t like what he read and decided to hold a grudge and wait for some reason to attack me, just as he has done with many others who disagreed with him or posted something he didn’t like.
If a “Newbie” acted the way he has acted towards me it would not be tolerated. I can think of at least 3-4 people that have been banned for sending PMs less hateful than the one I received from Bill.
I guess it’s OK since he is a “respected FOG.” In my opinion, he is everything BUT that. He has said in his posts that I:
I think the linked threads, PMs and emails speak for themselves about who has flown off the handle, acted rude, irrational, and disrespectful, and has been "thin-skinned". I never blocked PMs from Bill until he sent me that nasty PM. I never called him names or made personal attacks against him. I tried, from the beginning, to resolve this after the first thread where we disagreed about Wurm. I guess I didn't realize that every post I made in response to Bill would be put under a microscope. I guess I didn't realize that it wasn't OK to respond to him when he brought up my name in threads I wasn't even involved in or to respond to posts he made directed at me.
If I missed any emails, feel free to offer them up Bill. Frankly, that PM I got from you PM from Bill on 12/13/05 really said all that I needed to know about the person I was dealing with. Everything else is just fluff, differing opinions, and posturing. Given the initial thread where you thought I was being rude and trying to make you look bad, my apology, your response to my apology (or lack thereof), the nasty PM you sent me, and the subsequent public smearing of my name you made in my SS thread, I feel I have no choice but to post the history of this "issue" you have with me. Sure glad you only have the power to lock threads in the SS forum otherwise you would be able to get in the last word in here and then LOCK the thread.
I've never had any personal problems with anyone on this board before now. Frankly, I never had a personal issue with Bill until he sent me that nasty PM. If that were sent from CP and was sent by anyone else, they would be banned for it. And yet, I still never got an apology for it and likely never will. After all, Bill can do no wrong.
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SamClemmons
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Hope you had a very Merry Christmas Jim. An SS package will be inbound as soon as I can get it together.
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BkCloud114
I hate Moochers !!!!!
Too much reading and downloading for me...... I'm getting a headache
Steve..... see what you started... LOL
Steve..... see what you started... LOL
This is what I see:
Neither one of you can let the other person have the last word
Neither one of you is entitled to an apology
Bill had a lot on his plate dealing with SS, so he dictates the speed at which things move.
Because Bill has a personal stake in SS, more so than most, he was acting paternally in trying to protect it. Say something about a fathers child and see what happens
It is my opinion that Bill should not has used abusive language in his PM's. Again, it is my opinion that he did so because he was trying to protect SS and the ideals/values behind SS.
Jingle, you said you were dealing with an irrational person. Bill gave you a way out at the very begining in this PM, the first PM. But did you take it? Nope, because it wasn't on your terms. So who is irrational now?
It is my opinion that you both are acting like idiots. Neither one of you is right, and you are both wrong to a certain extent. For this I am calling you both out. It is not my intention to take sides, but for fu(ks sake, would you both fu(king drop it for the better of CP. Most of us dont ive a flying fu(k about the argurement, but I do give a damn about having to read about the vendetta you both have against each other.
Same team Farva, same team!!!
Neither one of you can let the other person have the last word
Neither one of you is entitled to an apology
Bill had a lot on his plate dealing with SS, so he dictates the speed at which things move.
Because Bill has a personal stake in SS, more so than most, he was acting paternally in trying to protect it. Say something about a fathers child and see what happens
It is my opinion that Bill should not has used abusive language in his PM's. Again, it is my opinion that he did so because he was trying to protect SS and the ideals/values behind SS.
Jingle, you said you were dealing with an irrational person. Bill gave you a way out at the very begining in this PM, the first PM. But did you take it? Nope, because it wasn't on your terms. So who is irrational now?
It is my opinion that you both are acting like idiots. Neither one of you is right, and you are both wrong to a certain extent. For this I am calling you both out. It is not my intention to take sides, but for fu(ks sake, would you both fu(king drop it for the better of CP. Most of us dont ive a flying fu(k about the argurement, but I do give a damn about having to read about the vendetta you both have against each other.
Same team Farva, same team!!!
Cheekie
Yeah fuggers, I am still around!
perfect depiction!!!
JimK
Member
Out of the whole sordid exchange, I find this reprehensible:
"As I said before, stay the fuck away from me, if you know what's good for you.
That's not a theat, just some advice you should heed."
People have been banned for less than that. Saying it is not a threat in the next sentence doesn't make it the case.
JK
"As I said before, stay the fuck away from me, if you know what's good for you.
That's not a theat, just some advice you should heed."
People have been banned for less than that. Saying it is not a threat in the next sentence doesn't make it the case.
JK
Cheekie
Yeah fuggers, I am still around!
being the mother of two I believe that getting involved in squabbles is the worst thing to do....
But, I agree with E it needs to be dropped...or taken outside of the board.
But, I agree with E it needs to be dropped...or taken outside of the board.
stevehawk
'Member? C'mon you 'member!
coventrycat86 said:
Did you read my post, Bill? I posted MY opinion of MrJingles. I'm sure I can express MY opinion with full confidence that I know what I'm talking about.
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