KIMBO!

MiamiCubano said:
smokelaw1 said:
MiamiCubano said:
Can he pound? Yes. But he's going to face a hell of an uphill battle when it comes time to face anyone professionally or seriously trained in the world of MMA/Vale Tudo. It's a long road from backyard brawls to that world.
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No doubt. BUT--this fight against Ray Mercer...a fighter against a boxer. I'd like to see it.
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That too...a professional boxer is coming from a venue Kimbo isn't used to either. In that scenario, both combatants will face challenges, but Ray Mercer has some advantages over Kimbo. First, Ray Mercer is definitely long in the tooth. He's what? 45, 46 now? Got to be somewhere around there. Second, Ray Mercer's career history is questionable as well. He's suffered losses to most of his seriously qualified opponents (Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, Ferguson) and even lost to paper-thin-skinned boys like Klitchsko. His wins have been largely over journeymen and fighters that are looking to make it big, not against accomplished fighters. His last boxing loss to Briggs was something I witnessed first hand too.

Now, having said all that, Mercer has at least been in the MMA/Vale Tudo world for the last three years or so, even if most of his bouts have ended in losses. Kimbo doesn't have that experience and, when fighting an MMA opponent and losing, only cries foul and "unfair" (i.e., his fight with Gannon). Plus, Mercer does know how to actually fight and box, rather than guard porno-mavens and get kicked off the Bucs.
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It'll be interesting, no doubt. A professionally trained boxer, vs. the brawler. Both have "yeah, but...." in their description as far as I'm concerned. The only thing I know for sure, is that either of them could rip my arms off and beat me to death with them.
 
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
 
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
 
Just realized that the fight will be on the 23rd. I'll be in L.A., so I can't get it. Too bad. maybe I'll buy it and Tivo it, so I can watch when I get home.
I will be starting what hopefully be more focsed MMA training in a few months, and am getting excited about it. I got burned TWICE last night by my instructor, I passed his guard to get him in a mount, and both times was able to lock up my leg, pluck and buck, and drop an elbow into my head and/or chest. I need serious work on the ground.
 
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
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Yep, exactly. That's my point. I don't either, but it really is a significant mismatch too, on both sides of the coin. Mercer needs to hang it up already.
 
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
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Yep, exactly. That's my point. I don't either, but it really is a significant mismatch too, on both sides of the coin. Mercer needs to hang it up already.
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Curious...how can it be a significant mismatch on BOTH sides? But, I agree, Mercer should probably retire before he gets hurt. That competion is 5 minute rounds, right? If it doesn't end quick...they BOTH might quit.
 
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
smokelaw1 said:
Wow. Submission via strikes, with Royce Gracie as his trainer. He'll be fun to watch, too.
Did you see the fight? Is it available on-line anywhere?
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http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=extras/401
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Yep, that is the Gracie school through and through...straight to the mat from the get-go.

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Thanks for posting the link Mrepp.
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Gracie school with the addition of PAINFUL raining strikes from the mount. He absolute owned that dude.
 
smokelaw1 said:
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
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Yep, exactly. That's my point. I don't either, but it really is a significant mismatch too, on both sides of the coin. Mercer needs to hang it up already.
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Curious...how can it be a significant mismatch on BOTH sides? But, I agree, Mercer should probably retire before he gets hurt. That competion is 5 minute rounds, right? If it doesn't end quick...they BOTH might quit.
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It is because both fighters have their pros and cons as it were. Mercer is just too damn old and has always crumbled in the face of qualified competition. But, he is a professional fighter and can go the distance, and, more importantly, knows how to fight, not simply bar-room brawl. I guess my point is that if anything will do Mercer in, it's his age (Kimbo is 15 years his junior, a lifetime in almost any fighting circle) and history/record thus far in the MMA world. Skill, proficiency wise however, Mercer is in a different class altogether.
 
MiamiCubano said:
smokelaw1 said:
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
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Yep, exactly. That's my point. I don't either, but it really is a significant mismatch too, on both sides of the coin. Mercer needs to hang it up already.
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Curious...how can it be a significant mismatch on BOTH sides? But, I agree, Mercer should probably retire before he gets hurt. That competion is 5 minute rounds, right? If it doesn't end quick...they BOTH might quit.
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It is because both fighters have their pros and cons as it were. Mercer is just too damn old and has always crumbled in the face of qualified competition. But, he is a professional fighter and can go the distance, and, more importantly, knows how to fight, not simply bar-room brawl. I guess my point is that if anything will do Mercer in, it's his age (Kimbo is 15 years his junior, a lifetime in almost any fighting circle) and history/record thus far in the MMA world. Skill, proficiency wise however, Mercer is in a different class altogether.
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Good points. The two are rather opposite in so many ways. Neither of them has a ground game, that would simply end the whole conversation, I think.
 
smokelaw1 said:
MiamiCubano said:
smokelaw1 said:
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Also, consider that it is questionable how long Kimbo can actually go too. Most of his backyard amateur deals have gone what...2, 3 minutes? We have seen the result of a fight that requires him to go 10. Against an opponent that can outbox, outfight or even submit him, Kimbo will likely not measure up well.
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Kimbo gets gassed quick, and he's gotten the crap beat out of him multiple times in the online video's. i just don't see it going well for him.
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Yep, exactly. That's my point. I don't either, but it really is a significant mismatch too, on both sides of the coin. Mercer needs to hang it up already.
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Curious...how can it be a significant mismatch on BOTH sides? But, I agree, Mercer should probably retire before he gets hurt. That competion is 5 minute rounds, right? If it doesn't end quick...they BOTH might quit.
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It is because both fighters have their pros and cons as it were. Mercer is just too damn old and has always crumbled in the face of qualified competition. But, he is a professional fighter and can go the distance, and, more importantly, knows how to fight, not simply bar-room brawl. I guess my point is that if anything will do Mercer in, it's his age (Kimbo is 15 years his junior, a lifetime in almost any fighting circle) and history/record thus far in the MMA world. Skill, proficiency wise however, Mercer is in a different class altogether.
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Good points. The two are rather opposite in so many ways. Neither of them has a ground game, that would simply end the whole conversation, I think.
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Mercer does have a wrestling background, but it is in no way that accomplished/developed. Kimbo simply has no such background at all, though he has been up'ing his game a little down here in Miami (he's a local boy you know, and I personally know his trainers/gym). Still, he's not there yet. Bottom line, yes, you're right, neither of them have a solid ability on the mat...Mercer spent half his life trying to avoid it in fact.
 
Mrepp said:
Just a FYI for all the MMA fans

Chuck Liddell Vs Wanderlei Silva sept 22nd
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Going to be a hell of a fight.
Wasn't this supposed to happen once before? Don't think it ever did. But, now with the UFC/Pride merger...guess it's back on. We'll see...I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
 
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
Just a FYI for all the MMA fans

Chuck Liddell Vs Wanderlei Silva sept 22nd
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Going to be a hell of a fight.
Wasn't this supposed to happen once before? Don't think it ever did. But, now with the UFC/Pride merger...guess it's back on. We'll see...I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
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It would have happened before but Wanderlei was in the grand prix and got beat up to bad to fight liddell 3 months later.
 
Mrepp said:
MiamiCubano said:
Mrepp said:
Just a FYI for all the MMA fans

Chuck Liddell Vs Wanderlei Silva sept 22nd
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Going to be a hell of a fight.
Wasn't this supposed to happen once before? Don't think it ever did. But, now with the UFC/Pride merger...guess it's back on. We'll see...I'm definitely looking forward to this one.
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It would have happened before but Wanderlei was in the grand prix and got beat up to bad to fight liddell 3 months later.
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I remember his loss to Mirko. A hell of a loss at that.
But I also remember that UFC and Pride couldn't work out the deal at the time too...at least I recall that being one of the many reasons it didn't go forward.
 
Now that UFC and pride merged I'm waiting for FEDOR to sign his new contract. Of all the fighters I've ever seen that friggin guy scares the daylights out of me. I mean FFS he cough one of Mriko's kicks like it was nothing.
 
Just an update for everyone :(


Silva-Liddell fight quashed
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
July 11, 2007

Kevin Iole
Yahoo! Sports

The Ultimate Fighting Championship is scrambling for a main event for the company's planned Sept. 22 show at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., after light heayweight Wanderlei Silva told UFC president Dana White through an intermediary that he did not want to fight Chuck Liddell.

White said he had reached terms for Liddell, arguably the UFC's most popular fighter and its recently deposed 205-pound champion, to meet the Brazilian Silva in a highly anticipated bout at UFC 76.

But White said Wednesday he was told by a member of Silva's Chute Box team that Silva did not want to fight Liddell. White said the deadline for having the fight made was Wednesday.

"This is the worst news I could have possibly gotten," White said. "It's horrendous. I have been trying to make this fight for six years. I have done everything in my power I could do over the last six years to make this fight and it's still not happening. I just don't see it happening now."

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The UFC has already signed two bouts for the Sept. 22 card. Light heavyweight Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, a long-time star in Japan's Pride Fighting Championship, will make his UFC debut by taking on Lyoto Machida. Diego Sanchez will also face Jon Fitch in a welterweight bout.

Neither of those is a main event-type of bout that could carry a pay-per-view card in a large arena. Given that most of the UFC's other top draws are already scheduled, White is left without a main event for a significant card.

"This just happened (Wednesday afternoon) and I'm not sure what we're going to do," White said. "We're trying to figure it out. It's not a fun time right now."

Silva, 31, hasn't fought since losing his 205-pound Pride belt to Dan Henderson on Feb. 24 in Las Vegas. He was knocked out in the second round of that bout and was stopped in the first round of a Sept. 10 fight with Mirko Cro Cop.

He's also lost three of his last five, which White conceded took some of the luster off a potential fight between the two.

White had announced that Silva and Liddell would meet during a UFC pay-per-view show in 2006, but he then was unable to finalize a deal with the then-owners of Pride. Zuffa, the company that owns the UFC, subsequently purchased Pride earlier this year.

"Look what I've done to get that fight made," White said. "I took Chuck over and had him fight in the (Pride) Grand Prix so he could fight Wanderlei. They (Pride officials) wouldn't do the fight unless we put Chuck in the Grand Prix, but then Chuck ran into Rampage Jackson and he (lost) and the fight with Wanderlei didn't happen.

"And then I bring him into the ring at one of our biggest pay-per-views, at a time when they were really in a lot of trouble, because I wanted to make that fight. It shows you how incredibly stupid those people were, because they took what could have been the biggest fight in this sport's history and blew it up."

Neither Liddell nor Silva could be reached for comment. There is a very brief video of Liddell and Silva on Silva's web site, but White was adamant that the bout that was a dream match for many hardcore mixed martial arts fans is dead, probably forever.

He said he's not certain if he'll keep Liddell on that card and match him with another opponent. A possibility would be to bring in more fighters who are under contract with Pride and have them fight in the main event.

White said he planned to go ahead with Rua against Machida and wasn't at the moment considering a Rua-Liddell bout.

"We haven’t really had enough time to figure this out because it all just came down," White said. "It's been a bad day ever since I heard that."
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