Zeebra
Daddy still loves Padrón!
I thought we killed this topic, as far as everything I've heard there's no marrying of cigar flavours unless you put flavoured cigars in with regular cigars.
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Marrying Of Cigar Flavors
- Thread starter Smoking Mex
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RPB67
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I agree. Pack those singles in.
Matt R
That's #1 Member to you. :)
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Where is TheMaster when we need him
Oh, I'm still here...
moki
el Presidente
I'd tend to agree... but the only REAL way to test this would be to take a box of cigars, keep half of them in isolation, mix the other half in with a bunch of other cigars, and leave them both undisturbed for a decade, then do a side by side taste test to see if you can taste any difference (which keeping absolutely everything else in terms of airflow, temperature, and RH identical to rule out any other factors).
While I'm sure someone has done this, I'm guessing most people who talk about "marrying of cigar flavors" have never done it, and are just talking out of an alternate orifice.
junkman_56
cigar smokin' caver
OUCH... ???While I'm sure someone has done this, I'm guessing most people who talk about "marrying of cigar flavors" have never done it, and are just talking out of an alternate orifice.
I think someone needs a hug. :whistling:
Zeebra
Daddy still loves Padrón!
Where is TheMaster when we need him
Oh, I'm still here...
I think he said The Master not a master-bater.
cigar smoke
Member
I guess I would need validation from the master in order to gain respect in this forum........Im far from a newb gents.......Im just trying to help........
Where is TheMaster when we need him
Oh, I'm still here...
I think he said The Master not a master-bater.
Good think I have an assistant, thanks Zee
Don't take it personal, but I haven't seem too many with his depth of knowledge.. kind of miss having him around.
Matt R
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I don't think you need validation from anyone. Your points are well taken, I personally just do not believe it to be true. I've had Dunhill Cabinettas straight from a sealed box, stored for almost twenty years and a single Cabinetta, same vintage, that was sitting alongside other brands of cigars for nearly the same amount of time and could detect very little difference in flavors. Those differences were not the result of marrying between cigars, as much as the process of aging inside a sealed cedar box.
edited some spelling....
cigar smoke
Member
Yes the aging of one cigar alone would not age as well I agree, and have stated that in my earlier post....I also said the change in the single cigar would be a small ..........If you are saying that there was no change at all do to the environment of the single cigar you would be incorrect.....The fact that you did notice a change and wrote it off as not being as well aged because it was not in a sealed box is just my point....The environment does have an effect on cigars...........A small affect in this case.........That is what I have said all along............
I assume you smoked one from the aged cabinate to compare...............I have had them too.......long ago...
Ever try a Montecristo B or a Trinidad Diplomat............
I assume you smoked one from the aged cabinate to compare...............I have had them too.......long ago...
Ever try a Montecristo B or a Trinidad Diplomat............
moki
el Presidente
OUCH... ???While I'm sure someone has done this, I'm guessing most people who talk about "marrying of cigar flavors" have never done it, and are just talking out of an alternate orifice.
I think someone needs a hug. :whistling:
I was trying to be funny, not mean... any in any event, it's just an opinion, it's worth what you paid for it.
junkman_56
cigar smokin' caver
LOL, I figured as much.OUCH... ???While I'm sure someone has done this, I'm guessing most people who talk about "marrying of cigar flavors" have never done it, and are just talking out of an alternate orifice.
I think someone needs a hug. :whistling:
I was trying to be funny, not mean... any in any event, it's just an opinion, it's worth what you paid for it.
I just could not resist.:laugh:
moki
el Presidente
I think this is spurring me to do some evil experiments... first on the permeability of various cigar cellophanes. It can vary depending on how the cellophane is treated... will be interesting...
IgwanaRob
I'm just 2 people short of a threesome
moki's inspired - this can only mean fun for us all!
Dave
Padilla Lanceros, yum yum!!
I smoke them too soon to taste any "marrying" of flavors from other cigars. Then again, I keep the cello on as well. I'm not the kind of guy who can let a tasty stick rest for 10+ years, so my motto is "smoke em before mold or beetles get them".
junkman_56
cigar smokin' caver
Oh God... :0
I just had this horrible vision of a Moontrance and a Hemmingway locked in the same humidor for a year.
Oh the humanity of it all...
cigargirl
New Member
:0 That's a horrifying thought. I just tend to cello all my cigars in my humidor. Except my Padron's, they have a humidor all to themselves, located in the bottom of the closet under a shoe box. LOL
Smoking Mex
Fuma Lo Que Te Gusta
Now all I have to do now is figure out exactly where you live. :laugh:
cigar smoke
Member
One more opinion on this subject....Below is from cigar.com
To Cello or Not to Cello?
You just made a big cigar purchase and rushed home to put your new sticks in the humidor. Now the age old question: do you or do you not take the cigars out of the cellophane before putting them away? This has plagued cigar collectors for years. From online forums to industry publications, the proper way to store cigars has been a topic of heated debate. For years I have experimented in storage concepts and have done extensive research on the subject. In all my experimentation, I have arrived at one truth when it comes to the cellophane debate: it is a matter of preference!
Leaving the Cellophane On:
Contrary to popular belief, humidity will reach your cigars when you leave the cello on. The plastic used by cigar manufacturers is permeable, enabling a certain level of moisture and air to circulate in and out of the protective cover. Otherwise, a micro-climate would be created inside the cellophane, and the cigars would be more susceptible to mold. Since humidity will reach your cigars with or without the cellophane, there are many reasons to leave it on.
Protection From Other Cigars: Tobacco gets its flavor and characteristics from oils that escape from the leaf and remain on the surface. The oils from the various tobacco leaves inside the cigar meld and marry with each other to create balance and give each blend a unique profile. Storing different brands without cellophane right next to one another can produce the same marrying effect on a much larger scale. The result is that over time, many of the various brands will start to change and take on one uniform taste.
Protection From You: The oils that form on each of your cigars are also at risk from over-handling. Every time you pick up a cigar and come into direct contact with the tobacco, the oils rub off on your skin. Once lost, these oils can take a great deal of time to replenish, and will affect the overall smoking experience when the time comes to enjoy your cigar.
Protection From the Elements: As you can see, cigars that have been removed from their cellophane are at higher of losing both flavor and aroma. However, aside from these changes, cellophane also protects against physical damage that can occur when moving your cigars from place to place or dropping them in your pocket as you head out for the night. After tobacco ferments, it becomes much less pliable, and it takes very little to tear or damage the delicate wrapper. Any damage changes the way a cigar burns, resulting in a dramatically altered taste.
Taking the Cellophane Off:
At this point, you are probably asking yourself, "Why would anyone ever want to take the cellophane off their cigars before storing them?" Well, the cellophane can actually inhibit the aging of your favorite smokes.
Aging: Once rolled, cigars complete their final fermentation in aging rooms, then are boxed and shipped to retail stores around the world. Next, the cigars begin the first of as many as three maturation periods that are characterized by the breaking down of tannins and the marrying of oils. During these stages, the cigar settles into a more refined taste. Depending on the tobacco used to make the cigar, this process can take as long as 50 years. However, if cigars are kept in cellophane, this process is slowed by as much as 60 percent. Additionally, after several years in cellophane, the emitting oils and by-products of the maturation can make the cellophane less breathable, and your cigars will be susceptible to mold.
Maintaining Steady Humidity: While cellophane is breathable, it is not ideal for maintaining the best possible climate for your cigars when they enter your humidor. Once a cigar levels out at a constant humidity, the tobacco absorbs and releases moisture in an effort to maintain equilibrium and consistency in your humidor. This can be more difficult with an added layer of cellophane encasing your sticks.
Tradition: Cellophane is relatively new to cigars, as it was first introduced by JC Newman (makers of Diamond Crown and Cuesta Rey) in the 1930’s. Prior to that time, only a small handful of cigars came in packaging, which ranged from foil to tissue paper. In fact, to this day, no hand-rolled premiums are imported from Cuba in protective cellophane.
Which method is right for you? In the end, it all depends on what type of cigar smoker you consider yourself to be. If you anticipate traveling and handling your cigars to some degree, then you should keep your cigars in cellophane. However, if you intend on aging a limited variety of brands for an extended period of time and want them at their best, it is smarter to remove the cellophane before storing them. Nevertheless, keep in mind that aging requires patience and organization because the cigars should not be over-handled and must be separated to avoid cross-marrying of the different blends in your collection.
This does not necessarily have to be a black and white issue. Many aficionados will buy a box of cigars and store half of them "naked" for aging, and keep the remainder in cellophane for added protection. Just keep in mind that regardless of your preference, each method has its advantages.
I could not have said it better.......and fully agree
To Cello or Not to Cello?
You just made a big cigar purchase and rushed home to put your new sticks in the humidor. Now the age old question: do you or do you not take the cigars out of the cellophane before putting them away? This has plagued cigar collectors for years. From online forums to industry publications, the proper way to store cigars has been a topic of heated debate. For years I have experimented in storage concepts and have done extensive research on the subject. In all my experimentation, I have arrived at one truth when it comes to the cellophane debate: it is a matter of preference!
Leaving the Cellophane On:
Contrary to popular belief, humidity will reach your cigars when you leave the cello on. The plastic used by cigar manufacturers is permeable, enabling a certain level of moisture and air to circulate in and out of the protective cover. Otherwise, a micro-climate would be created inside the cellophane, and the cigars would be more susceptible to mold. Since humidity will reach your cigars with or without the cellophane, there are many reasons to leave it on.
Protection From Other Cigars: Tobacco gets its flavor and characteristics from oils that escape from the leaf and remain on the surface. The oils from the various tobacco leaves inside the cigar meld and marry with each other to create balance and give each blend a unique profile. Storing different brands without cellophane right next to one another can produce the same marrying effect on a much larger scale. The result is that over time, many of the various brands will start to change and take on one uniform taste.
Protection From You: The oils that form on each of your cigars are also at risk from over-handling. Every time you pick up a cigar and come into direct contact with the tobacco, the oils rub off on your skin. Once lost, these oils can take a great deal of time to replenish, and will affect the overall smoking experience when the time comes to enjoy your cigar.
Protection From the Elements: As you can see, cigars that have been removed from their cellophane are at higher of losing both flavor and aroma. However, aside from these changes, cellophane also protects against physical damage that can occur when moving your cigars from place to place or dropping them in your pocket as you head out for the night. After tobacco ferments, it becomes much less pliable, and it takes very little to tear or damage the delicate wrapper. Any damage changes the way a cigar burns, resulting in a dramatically altered taste.
Taking the Cellophane Off:
At this point, you are probably asking yourself, "Why would anyone ever want to take the cellophane off their cigars before storing them?" Well, the cellophane can actually inhibit the aging of your favorite smokes.
Aging: Once rolled, cigars complete their final fermentation in aging rooms, then are boxed and shipped to retail stores around the world. Next, the cigars begin the first of as many as three maturation periods that are characterized by the breaking down of tannins and the marrying of oils. During these stages, the cigar settles into a more refined taste. Depending on the tobacco used to make the cigar, this process can take as long as 50 years. However, if cigars are kept in cellophane, this process is slowed by as much as 60 percent. Additionally, after several years in cellophane, the emitting oils and by-products of the maturation can make the cellophane less breathable, and your cigars will be susceptible to mold.
Maintaining Steady Humidity: While cellophane is breathable, it is not ideal for maintaining the best possible climate for your cigars when they enter your humidor. Once a cigar levels out at a constant humidity, the tobacco absorbs and releases moisture in an effort to maintain equilibrium and consistency in your humidor. This can be more difficult with an added layer of cellophane encasing your sticks.
Tradition: Cellophane is relatively new to cigars, as it was first introduced by JC Newman (makers of Diamond Crown and Cuesta Rey) in the 1930’s. Prior to that time, only a small handful of cigars came in packaging, which ranged from foil to tissue paper. In fact, to this day, no hand-rolled premiums are imported from Cuba in protective cellophane.
Which method is right for you? In the end, it all depends on what type of cigar smoker you consider yourself to be. If you anticipate traveling and handling your cigars to some degree, then you should keep your cigars in cellophane. However, if you intend on aging a limited variety of brands for an extended period of time and want them at their best, it is smarter to remove the cellophane before storing them. Nevertheless, keep in mind that aging requires patience and organization because the cigars should not be over-handled and must be separated to avoid cross-marrying of the different blends in your collection.
This does not necessarily have to be a black and white issue. Many aficionados will buy a box of cigars and store half of them "naked" for aging, and keep the remainder in cellophane for added protection. Just keep in mind that regardless of your preference, each method has its advantages.
I could not have said it better.......and fully agree