Need Advice on wireless

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I'm getting a laptop for work. We currently have DSL into the house and I don't want to have to connect to our modem which is in the bedroom. I'm wanting to get wireless set up and am wondering what I need and how expensive it will be to get it set up. I don't know crap about wireless, but how will I be able to still have our PC connected to the DSL modem and have a wireless connection? I'm assuming I will connect the wireless router to the DSL modem? Suggestions on what I need will be greatly appreciated.

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modem plugs into router, router into PC and the router sends the wireless signal to your laptop. Go to best buy, they helped me alot.

Also, if you all the computers are running the same OS, ie Windows XP (which is the best for this, IMHO) it makes the whole thing go very smoothly.
 
KayakinBoy said:
modem plugs into router, router into PC and the router sends the wireless signal to your laptop. Go to best buy, they helped me alot.

Also, if you all the computers are running the same OS, ie Windows XP (which is the best for this, IMHO) it makes the whole thing go very smoothly.
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The OS won't matter at all; mixed wireless networks work fine.

Just pick up an 802.11g wireless router... plug it into your cable modem, then you can plug the PC into the wireless router's uplink port, and the laptop will connect wirelessly. Set the router to use NAT so that your PC and laptop both share the same IP.
 
Here's a wireless network for ya:

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coventrycat86 said:
Here's a wireless network for ya:

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LMAO. Mr up to date is now your new nickname.

I know you don't have a Cell phone, but are you still using a Commodore 64?
 
make sure you secure your connection, and use 128bit strong encryption, so some dingleberry can't hop(war-driving)on your network when outside your house.I would also recomend you turn off the broadcasting feature in the security options. I use linksys stuff...easy to do firmware upgrades and simple to install.
 
Rob_k said:
make sure you secure your connection, and use 128bit strong encryption, so some dingleberry can't hop(war-driving)on your network when outside your house.I would also recomend you turn off the broadcasting feature in the security options. I use linksys stuff...easy to do firmware upgrades and simple to install.
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Definitely. I'm sorry I forgot to mention that... a guy who works for me is still using his new neighbor's wireless connection because the mook didn't turn encryption... lucky for him the guy isn't malicious....
 
Get a 54G setup, preferably one of the faster 'enhanced' versions, and make sure you get the matching card for the router.

For example, I have the D-Link Extreme G series router, with one laptop card and a wireless brodge (for the PS2, etc). All are from the Extreme G series, which means when you only use them you will get double the normal speed - 108 mbps instead of 54 mbps)- basically I can get my full 10mbps internet connection even when I use the wireless (I download at about 1 MegaByte per second on an good server connection using 128 bit encryption), whereas with a normal 56G connection you only get about 3-4 mbps burst if you're lucky when using high encryption. The downside is that anytime a 'normal' or lower speed connection comes into play, all the connections will drop down and use the lower protocol (for example, I have a networked DVD player that streams audio and video files wirelessly from one of my servers, so if I use it's wireless connection my laptop drops from 108 mbps to 56 - still useable, but drops my download speeds of bigger files down about 60%). Some of the newer technilogy routers will actually have dual internal antennas and will allow mixing of new and old without dropping the speed of the enhanced connection, but expect to pay more for these units.

Use the highest encryption for security (be aware, there is a noticable speed compromise with using the higher encryption settings, which is why I suggest using the 'enhanced' version of whichever company you go for), set up a WEP key (at the very least, WAP is much better) and the best thing to do to prevent people from accessing your physical network is to setup the MAC filters in the router, which will only allow those computers or peripherals whose MAC addresses that you entered into the router to be allowed to connect. You'll have to get the MAC addresses of you desktop, router, and anything else you want to connect (easy enough using the cmd: 'ipconfig/ all' on each machine, or looking for a sticker with the address on it (on the PCMCIA card, router, bottom of the laptop if the wireless is built in, etc.), and anytime a friend comes over you'll have to add his NIC's MAC (I had to do this last night when my friend came by after quitting his job in Manhattan).

It sounds like a lot, but it's not really that hard - once it;s all setup, you'll wonder how the hell you lived without a wireless laptop when you;re sitting outside enjoying a great stick and relaxing :)
 
moki said:
Rob_k said:
make sure you secure your connection, and use 128bit strong encryption, so some dingleberry can't hop(war-driving)on your network when outside your house.I would also recomend you turn off the broadcasting feature in the security options. I use linksys stuff...easy to do firmware upgrades and simple to install.
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Definitely. I'm sorry I forgot to mention that... a guy who works for me is still using his new neighbor's wireless connection because the mook didn't turn encryption... lucky for him the guy isn't malicious....
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That's how I connect when I'm at work :p They changes their router and firewall after a while (I could browse every singe file on every computer when they initially set it up - found out by accident when some wierd computer names showed up one day in the Network folder :p), but they still left the connection wide open. Good thing I just care about getting an outside connection, or I could really do some damage (not to mention it would be illegal to do anything to their files/network, and I really don't need any problems ;) )

BTW, WEP is mostly a joke - you can sniff out the key easy enough. Setting up the MAC filters will keep anyone from connecting to the network even if they got the encryption key - although they could still 'see' what's being sent back and forth, they couldn;t do any other damage. Of course, generally speaking, it's not that great of an issue in a residential situation when distances, building obstructions (walls) and sensitivity of the data is not as critical.
 
moki said:
Rob_k said:
make sure you secure your connection, and use 128bit strong encryption, so some dingleberry can't hop(war-driving)on your network when outside your house.I would also recomend you turn off the broadcasting feature in the security options. I use linksys stuff...easy to do firmware upgrades and simple to install.
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Definitely. I'm sorry I forgot to mention that... a guy who works for me is still using his new neighbor's wireless connection because the mook didn't turn encryption... lucky for him the guy isn't malicious....
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Oh, Andrew.... You're spoiling all the Wardriver's fun - after all it's legal, right??? :laugh:

Seriously, though Brandon - That's a BIG issue. Every so often you get the perv who can't use his home or library computer because of the terms of his probation - and "wardriving" is the way he gets his "kiddie porn" - which really sucks of law enforcement traces kiddie porn downloads to your home IP address... Also, given the track record of your neighbors lifting goodies from your mail, I wouldn't put it past them to download their softare/movies/music using your IP address if you have an open wireless network, in case the RIAA/MPAA is watching and looking to sue someone for use of copyrighted material without paying for it... Plus - once in the network, they have access to some of your personal information you may not want them to have. Make sure you use strong encryption - the batids even share tips/techniques for getting around a lot of the encryption schemes out there...
 
IgwanaRob said:
BTW, WEP is mostly a joke - you can sniff out the key easy enough. Setting up the MAC filters will keep anyone from connecting to the network even if they got the encryption key - although they could still 'see' what's being sent back and forth, they couldn;t do any other damage. Of course, generally speaking, it's not that great of an issue in a residential situation when distances, building obstructions (walls) and sensitivity of the data is not as critical.
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128 bit WEP is like locking your door... certainly people can still break in, but usually they'll just move on to an easier target, because it does take some significant time to decrypt. Adding MAC filters is a good idea and certainly more secure, but something I've never bothered with...
 
ggiese said:
Oh, Andrew.... You're spoiling all the Wardriver's fun - after all it's legal, right???

That's illegal? :whistling:

There's 46 hotspots between my work and my house. :whistling:
 
Leave it to you fockers to go into too much damn detail.

Sheesh.
 
moki said:
IgwanaRob said:
BTW, WEP is mostly a joke - you can sniff out the key easy enough. Setting up the MAC filters will keep anyone from connecting to the network even if they got the encryption key - although they could still 'see' what's being sent back and forth, they couldn;t do any other damage. Of course, generally speaking, it's not that great of an issue in a residential situation when distances, building obstructions (walls) and sensitivity of the data is not as critical.
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128 bit WEP is like locking your door... certainly people can still break in, but usually they'll just move on to an easier target, because it does take some significant time to decrypt. Adding MAC filters is a good idea and certainly more secure, but something I've never bothered with...
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agreed on wep, but for the average "punk/geek" they will move on to an easier target, their are so many now. i had a packet sniffer on here at work one day, and there is a major car dealership across the parking lot here at my office. needless to say, they are not locked down, broadcasting, and i was able to view a transaction for a brand new lincoln navigator.
back to my point, some security is certainly better than none. ;)
 
How's this for simple:

Get this Router, and this Network Card.

Follw instructions to set it up for auto sensing the speed, and the highest encryption possible.

Done

:)

Oh, and when you feel like upgrading your DVD player, give this one a try and let me know how it is (I have a Gateway wireless DVD player myself, this one looks a little better)
 
Just a note of caution. I had that d-link setup, it lasted 11 months then the access point just died one day. I found out this is a common problem with them through research. Replaced it with a Linksys wrt54g and have had much better luck.
Strictly MHO though.

Good luck with the setup.


Dan
 
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