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Nicotine/Tar Cigar Question (Olde World Cigar Lounge)

souldog

souldog

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Hey all,

So I went down to another local cigar lounge I found in town, and it's called "Olde World Cigar Lounge" in Temecula, CA. It looked decent on their website, and it stated there were no membership fees, but when I finally got out there tonight after a long night of work, I was not as impressed.

Besides the point, I was talking to an employee there and he mentioned that the panels of glass on their walk-in humidor were dirty (not really a convincing invitation to their joint if you ask me...especially POINTING IT OUT!) because of the tar and nicotine. He then went on to talk about how he does not have any cigars in humidors out and about in the smoking area because of, again, "tar" and "nicotine." I know there are some threads talking about the stigma of placing your humi in your smoking area or not, but that's besides the point for my newb question:

If there is nicotine and tar present in cigars, how much? I would surmise that gauge and length make a difference, right? I did some research and some websites state as much as 3 or 4 cigarettes worth (see http://www.stop-smoking-tips.com/cigar-smoking.html).

So, I guess I didn't know that there was tar and nicotine present......


Is there? ???



In closing reference the Olde World Cigar Lounge, his prices were high, the unofficial "entrance fee" was "smoke what you buy here, no outside sticks allowed," and the selection stunk. Would I go back? Maybe, but if I'm paying $10 for a stick, I'd rather pay $10 to go to Zarka's and bring 3 of me own...


PS- I walked out with two Tatuajes, I know I know. :thumbs:
PPS- I mentioned Cigarpass.com, and he gave me a ::deer in the headlights:: look...I SLAPPED HIM.
 
I believe the botanical name for tobacco is Nicotina. Tar is a result of burning the oils in the tobacco. The nicotine is in the tobacco. How much of either depends on the type of tobacco, where it was grown, how it was processed, how long it was fermented.....
 
Yes cigars and all tobacco contain nicotine and thus tar. Because of the amount of tobacco in a cigar compared to a cigarette, you'll see figures like one cigar can be as much as X amount of cigarettes, etc. If you're talking about cancer usually cancers of the mouth and throat are more associated with cigars than lung or other cancers.

This is one of the reasons I try to limit how many I regularly smoke to a couple-few a week. (ish). lol

Does this mean cigar smokers will get cancer or other disease? Maybe... maybe not. I've seen 2-pack a day smokers live into their 80s and 90s and I've seen young people get lung cancer. I'll tell you what, it isn't going to stop me from enjoying one of the small pleasures in my life of puffing on a premium cigar every few days. I like to think the mental health benefits of this outweigh the theoretical possibility that one day MAYBE I'd come down with something. But I think in general if you're not smoking 3-5 a day you don't have much to fret over and even if you do, you probably even still don't need to worry... but I could be wrong. It's a game of odds and random chance. Hell I think the way I eat and the radiation I'm exposed to in my workplace will probably get me before a Tatuaje will :whistling:
 
Ounceman said:
I'll tell you what, it isn't going to stop me from enjoying one of the small pleasures in my life of puffing on a premium cigar every few days. I like to think the mental health benefits of this outweigh the theoretical possibility that one day MAYBE I'd come down with something.
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NOW you're talkin!!! :thumbs:
 
On the cancer note, I remember watching something about tobacco products and the percentage of users who have cancer. I can't remember the exact numbers but they were somewhere around:

Cigarette: high-teens
Cigar: 4-8%
Dip/chew/etc: ~10%
Snus: 2-5%

Again, don't quote me on the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that they are in the general vicinity.
 
I had a very good friend who survived a heart attack several years ago. The doctors told him that if he wanted to continue living, he needed to give up drinking and smoking. He did as the doctors recommended, at least for a while. About a year later, we were sitting in the bar enjoying a few beers after golf. He was smoking a cigarette as we talked about his near death experience. He said that giving up two of the things he enjoyed most wasn't 'living' and he was going to enjoy whatever time he had left. He passed away about three years after that, but he enjoyed that time.

If I might get cancer from enjoying cigars, then I accept the risk. I'm just as likely to get cirrhosis of the liver or get flattened by a bus while crossing the street. You can't live your life in a bubble.
 
I agree. What I don't get sometimes are the websites that say cigars are just as addictive as cigarettes. I completely disagree with it. Granted I've only been smoking "real" cigars for a little under a year regularly... but I really feel like I do it when I feel like I want to and never do I feel like I NEED to like cigarettes.

So I don't worry so much about cancer with cigars because I know I could go as long as I want without having one, and therefore can make whatever decision I need to make for myself as to how much I have. Maybe a lot of people would disagree with that and they absolutely can't go a certain amount of time without one... I don't know. I just know that although I've really wished I had one when I didn't have one in certain situations, it's never been to the point of feeling ill, having shakes and it pre-occupying my entire thought process to the point of a cigarette smoker's. So if I can often go through phases of sometimes having a few a week to having none for over a month... how can they be just as addictive as cigs?? I feel like if some day down the road I decide I don't want to smoke cigars anymore, I'll just simply be able to stop.
 
I wouldn't say I'm addicted to Cigars or Cigarettes but I can understand why friends may think I can. Sometimes, especially when stressed, I need a cigarette or a cigar to calm down. It's not quite like a nicotine addiction, but I guess you could still say it is a crutch. I think a lot of people combine an addiction and a crutch.

However, we have gotten off topic.

This cigar lounge you went to sounds like it needs to hire a cleaning staff. Your windows in your house get dirty with all kinds of environmental pollutants, and you clean it! I think the guy making it sound like there wasn't a choice to it being dirty is just laziness. I wouldn't go to a place that wasn't clean. I would start to wonder about the quality of the cigars they are selling. Plus, I would find it hard to relax and enjoy the smoke in a place like that. But that's just me.
 
Yeah, this cigar lounge was a frickin' JOKE. I'll pretty much NEVER go back again...

I went to my usual Zarka's today and was greeted at the door by Zack, we talked for about a half hour, he gave me a free cigar of a new lend he and Rocky Patel are making, and I dropped about $50 USD in there. Genuinely a nice fellow, one who I will be going to for years to come...
 
that place isn't a lounge, it's a tobacco shop with a couple chairs in the middle of temecula's old bitty antique row.

I stopped there once and probably wont be back.
 
Wow souldog, it's obvious that you have a favorite cigar lounge in Temecula and hopefully, although not necessarily likely based upon your previous comments, you'll mature out of your newb status enough to learn that you don't need to put down others in order to promote those you like.

Obviously you like Zarka. Good for you. I wish more people would support their local shops. Zarka is a fine cigar retailer and offers a superbly stocked humidor. But really, are you so insecure in your fanhood of Zarka that you felt it necessary to denigrate another fine establishment that is, like Zarka and sadly only a few others in southern California, trying to spread the enjoyment of cigar smoking? Why not ask your question and communicate your opinions and observations and leave it at that? I guess that was beyond you at this stage.

You said that Olde Worlds prices were high. I've been to both places many times and found the prices to be comparable across the board. Maybe your math skills are lacking, much like your tact, regardless, both places offer reasonably priced cigars.

Also, Olde World opened in December of last year. That means they've been open for about 3 months. They have a very good cigar selection now and have 100's of more boxes on the way. They've also finalized plans to expand the humidor because of the tremendous response they've received from the residents of Temecula.

To be perfectly honest, I'm shocked they've done as well as they have considering the fact that another local cigar retailer, who will remain nameless, has coerced and threatened the cigar reps into not selling their products to Olde World. However, the guys at Olde World have improvised, adapted and overcome in order to provide Temecula and Murrieta residents with an alternative cigar lounge. Another interesting fact is that Olde World was originally named Aficionado Cigar Lounge and when this other nameless local retailer heard their name and plans he snatched up the aficionadocigarlounge.com domain name so that they couldn't use it. Doesn't the support of this other "brother of the leaf" just warm your heart?

The comments I've read from visitors to Olde World have been universally positive. That is until yours. But based on your delivery, I'll write your comments off as coming from someone who was more interested in putting someone down than actually giving an honest opinion.

Olde World Cigar Lounge offers a very classy and clean cigar lounge stocked with a terrific selection of premium cigars. However, the number one reason people keep coming back and bringing friends with them is the PEOPLE. You won't find any nicer, more sincere guys to enjoy a cigar with. They have a great attitude and it's reflected in the people who frequent their lounge. I meet at the lounge with Marines I used to serve with and many people I now do business with. It's just an unpretentious and relaxed environment. If you stop in make sure you say hi to Mike, Milburn or Carl.

Souldog, if you ever want to give Olde World an honest try please let me know, I'd be happy to buy the first cigar and I'll make sure the windows are clean too.

ChurchDog
951-501-9244 cell

"We're surrounded, that simplifies our problem"
"Chesty" Puller, USMC
 
Audilicious,

The shop you're referring to is Old Town Cigar Shoppe and is located in old town Temecula. You are correct, it's not a lounge, its a cigar shop with some chairs and they don't pretend to be anything else. It's just a nice old cigar shop that offers a good selection of cigars at a fair price and they've been doing it in Temecula for a long, ,long time.

I still buy sticks from them when I'm in that part of town. Nice people and a nice old school cigar shop.

ChurchDog
 
Churchdog,

Thank you for your spirited response. It was good reading. I would expect nothing less from another DD.


I understand you are defensive being that the majority of your posts are in promotion for OWCL, so I'm thinking that you're either friends with owners/employees, or you might be an owner/employee yourself.


Either or, as a spirited supporter of said lounge, rather than dissecting and degrading another person in their own opinions, being that you are personally invested in this lounge; mention something to the management, and maybe they'll take these experiences into consideration? Just something to think about.


As you said, "I wish more people would support their local shops." I support the local smoke shops here, and have a close friend who owns two shops here locally. Am I blabbing on and on about his shops in each post, putting their website URL on every reply I make in a thread?

No, not really. I am merely a connoisseur who has had an excellent experience at one particular cigar shop, and a less than favorable in another. Take it and leave it, but don't be so upset.


Edited to add: My GAWD, was I a wordy fella when I first joined... :rolleyes: Fuggin postwhoring...
 
ChurchDog said:
The shop you're referring to is Old Town Cigar Shoppe and is located in old town Temecula. You are correct, it's not a lounge, its a cigar shop with some chairs and they don't pretend to be anything else. It's just a nice old cigar shop that offers a good selection of cigars at a fair price and they've been doing it in Temecula for a long, ,long time.

I still buy sticks from them when I'm in that part of town. Nice people and a nice old school cigar shop.

ChurchDog
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Yeah, those people are GREAT inside there. One of the first shops I went to BTW, and they are having a Rocky Patel tasting this Friday, 1800-2100 hrs.
 
Souldog24ca,

It's always good to come across another Teufelhund...even under the circumstances :rolleyes:.

My only relationship with Olde World is that of a customer. I spend almost all of my local cigar dollars with them. That's it. I became friends with them after first becoming their customer, like just about every other person who spends any time there.

I post about Olde World because I know that they won't do it themselves. It's not there style to blow their own horn. So, I'll blow it for them and in the process let other cigar smokers know about these great people and the lounge.

"Am I blabbing on and on about his shops in each post, putting their website URL on every reply I make in a thread?" - It only seems logical, to me, to include their contact info and url in the post when they are the whole reason for the post. I admit that my motives are selfish...I want this cigar lounge to be around for a long time and if that means making posts and spreading the word about them, then I'm willing to assume those duties.

I know Zach, he's a good guy. I also think his humidor is fantastic and his knowledge of cigars is tremendous. But there are many people in the Temecula area who would rather spend their cigar money on cigars than on membership fees.

If you visited Olde World and your opinion was less than favorable then you're free to share your experience. I'll be sure to pass on your suggestions, they won't be the first they've heard from me. However, when you say, "this cigar lounge was a frickin' JOKE", I am compelled to respond in a more abrasive manner. I feel certain that if someone belittled Zach, the guy who gave you a free cigar and whom you talk with, the way you belittled Olde World that you would have responded similarly.

ChurchDog
 
Churchdog, you're a gentlemen. I'll be sure to get together for a stogie with you brother. I completely understand your viewpoint, and thanks for handling it in a civil manner. I'll be glad to get to see you on here some more BOTL ;) .
 
Ah jeez, next thing you know the two Jarheads will be takin' warm showers together in the wee hours of the morning.

Doc.
 
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