Congratulations with a nice forum!
I came across CP in search for cuban box codes; never heard about CP before this week-end, sorry!
Ok, friends we need assistance in Norway!
By 6th of August we ought to give input from the cigar community on stricter warnings on tobacco. The new idea is to put bad photographs on cigarettes and cigarboxes. Our cigarcommunity is attempting to come across with the message that there is an essential difference between SMOKING cigarettes and ENJOYNG cigars.
At the time we got the previous law against smoking inside bars in Norway; June 1st 2004 we did a lot of research reading more than 50 articles greatly influenced by Dr. Schneiderman. As he points out, there is not many articles relevant for us smoking quality cigars not inhaling.
My favourite is NCI's Monograph #9 Cigars: Health Effects and Trends
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/TCRB/monographs/9/m9_complete.PDF
because it is so comprehensive. At a time I went through the entire 250 pages and had a statistical analyst going through a new table we made based on these investigations. The conlusions of Monograph no.9 Cigars: Health Effects and Trends page 112 are very clear:
"Risk ratios of all cause mortality are higher for cigar smokers than rates for neversmokers".
This conlusion has also been used in Norwegian press and subsequently as background when the law was imposed on us in 2004.
In our environment WE conclude, based on the same research that
A CIGAR A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY!
And we have the evidence from the same research; just take a look at table 3 at the same page, stating that if you are smoking 1-2 cigars a day in the age group of 35 to 49 years, the mortality rate is 28% lower than for the nonsmoker!!
For us between 50 and 64 years old our rate is 10% higher than for nonsmoker group; we can live with that fellow smokers, can't we?
In total though,
white male cigarslovers over 35 live longer than non-smokers!
So, how is it possible to come up with these conclusions? Shouldn't we expect a higher ethical level from government publications?
Appearantly not. And we know the statistics is even better for us smoking quality cigars:
First; Only 10% of all cigars sold in the United States falls into this category. In the remaining category we find all the artificial Swishers.
Second; in the largest category we also expect to find the largest group of people inhaling cigars (15% do).
We do also have a large project within 7 European countries directed by World Health Organization; with the expected negative conclusions of course. However, what is the value of the millions of dollars spent when you put cigars and cigarillos in the same category? None! We all know many ex-cigarette smokers use cigarillos as a substitute inhaling them like cigarettes.
It has been interesting to find a lot of information on cigars and health within CP, thanks. I quote my favourite one: (by Negombo "Lo"?)
Cigar tobacco is often air cured. Many cigarettes are combined air and flue cured tobacco. Russian, Chinese and Taiwanese cigarettes at that time (70's) were made of air dried tobacco, and no correlation between lung cancer and rates of smoking could be found in those countries.
It raises some questions, doesn't it?
Like this one: Why didn't we know any children with astma in the 60's? Maybe because they didn't build airtight chambers at that time- the houses were breathing as apposed to nowadays!
Ok guys- let's see if we can influence the lawmakers!
May be one of you enthusiasts with the proper command of the language end up with formulating a message to be sent to the Minister of Health on behalf of the CP!
CP; showing political muscles?
Yes, I know I am new in here and now I will go to write my letter of introduction...
Thanks!
Remember: A CIGAR A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY. However 5 or more, he will run down your door...
I came across CP in search for cuban box codes; never heard about CP before this week-end, sorry!
Ok, friends we need assistance in Norway!
By 6th of August we ought to give input from the cigar community on stricter warnings on tobacco. The new idea is to put bad photographs on cigarettes and cigarboxes. Our cigarcommunity is attempting to come across with the message that there is an essential difference between SMOKING cigarettes and ENJOYNG cigars.
At the time we got the previous law against smoking inside bars in Norway; June 1st 2004 we did a lot of research reading more than 50 articles greatly influenced by Dr. Schneiderman. As he points out, there is not many articles relevant for us smoking quality cigars not inhaling.
My favourite is NCI's Monograph #9 Cigars: Health Effects and Trends
http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/TCRB/monographs/9/m9_complete.PDF
because it is so comprehensive. At a time I went through the entire 250 pages and had a statistical analyst going through a new table we made based on these investigations. The conlusions of Monograph no.9 Cigars: Health Effects and Trends page 112 are very clear:
"Risk ratios of all cause mortality are higher for cigar smokers than rates for neversmokers".
This conlusion has also been used in Norwegian press and subsequently as background when the law was imposed on us in 2004.
In our environment WE conclude, based on the same research that
A CIGAR A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY!
And we have the evidence from the same research; just take a look at table 3 at the same page, stating that if you are smoking 1-2 cigars a day in the age group of 35 to 49 years, the mortality rate is 28% lower than for the nonsmoker!!
For us between 50 and 64 years old our rate is 10% higher than for nonsmoker group; we can live with that fellow smokers, can't we?
In total though,
white male cigarslovers over 35 live longer than non-smokers!
So, how is it possible to come up with these conclusions? Shouldn't we expect a higher ethical level from government publications?
Appearantly not. And we know the statistics is even better for us smoking quality cigars:
First; Only 10% of all cigars sold in the United States falls into this category. In the remaining category we find all the artificial Swishers.
Second; in the largest category we also expect to find the largest group of people inhaling cigars (15% do).
We do also have a large project within 7 European countries directed by World Health Organization; with the expected negative conclusions of course. However, what is the value of the millions of dollars spent when you put cigars and cigarillos in the same category? None! We all know many ex-cigarette smokers use cigarillos as a substitute inhaling them like cigarettes.
It has been interesting to find a lot of information on cigars and health within CP, thanks. I quote my favourite one: (by Negombo "Lo"?)
Cigar tobacco is often air cured. Many cigarettes are combined air and flue cured tobacco. Russian, Chinese and Taiwanese cigarettes at that time (70's) were made of air dried tobacco, and no correlation between lung cancer and rates of smoking could be found in those countries.
It raises some questions, doesn't it?
Like this one: Why didn't we know any children with astma in the 60's? Maybe because they didn't build airtight chambers at that time- the houses were breathing as apposed to nowadays!
Ok guys- let's see if we can influence the lawmakers!
May be one of you enthusiasts with the proper command of the language end up with formulating a message to be sent to the Minister of Health on behalf of the CP!
CP; showing political muscles?
Yes, I know I am new in here and now I will go to write my letter of introduction...
Thanks!
Remember: A CIGAR A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY. However 5 or more, he will run down your door...
