Online Gambling about to become illegal

[Blue Dragon]

I just read on Slashdot how one of the three Bills to make online gambling illegal got attached to another bill and passed on through. It still has to pass in front of Bush, but I can't see why he wouldn't sign it. DAMNIT!!!

 

[denverdog]

:0 Sounds like they are stopping it at the source I.E.; PP, Neteller, etc...

"Sec. 5363. Prohibition on acceptance of any financial instrument for unlawful Internet gambling

`No person engaged in the business of betting or wagering may knowingly accept, in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful Internet gambling--

`(1) credit, or the proceeds of credit, extended to or on behalf of such other person (including credit extended through the use of a credit card);

`(2) an electronic fund transfer, or funds transmitted by or through a money transmitting business, or the proceeds of an electronic fund transfer or money transmitting service, from or on behalf of such other person;

`(3) any check, draft, or similar instrument which is drawn by or on behalf of such other person and is drawn on or payable at or through any financial institution; or

`(4) the proceeds of any other form of financial transaction, as the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may jointly prescribe by regulation, which involves a financial institution as a payor or financial intermediary on behalf of or for the benefit of such other person."

 

[insight]

Making things worse is the fact it got tacked onto a port security bill, which ensures Bush will sign it as he is avidly pro border control. Basically this means it is time for me to find a new source of income

At least there are still card rooms in California

 

[Infinity]

Unbelievable - our rights are slowly diminishing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is for our own good and so too are
all the other laws, like smoking etc.

Don't shout blame though, remember, the lawmakers were voted in by you.

If you want change, vote for change ???

Brian

 

[symyn]

There still is the Indian Casino's so I am ok.

 

[NullSmurf]

One of my favorite quotes is from C S Lewis:

Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated: but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

 

[theorangeman]

Unbelievable - our rights are slowly diminishing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is for our own good and so too are
all the other laws, like smoking etc.

Don't shout blame though, remember, the lawmakers were voted in by you.

If you want change, vote for change ???

Brian

Our rights? Not sure about that one. I believe gambling, done in the fashion that is being targeted, is against the law. It's just that folks have been able to get around it, although probably not for long. Hmmmm... reminds of another illegal activity having to do with our friends south of us. :whistling:

 

[tigger]

reminds of another illegal activity having to do with our friends south of us.

Gorram chimichanga smugglers!!!

Don't shout blame though, remember, the lawmakers were voted in by you.

No one I've voted for, at least at the national level, has won in a long time. That's the problem with voting for freedom-minded candidates, it seems that the majority of voting Americans don't really want freedom. They've fallen for some illusion of safety and entitlement and are sticking with that.

 

[Wurm]

Posted by a good friend of mine at another forum...

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Completely watered down version of what they wanted.

Nothing will change.

It doesn't outright state that online gaming is illegal, but it does outlaw the payment of gaming implements through banks and credit card companies in the United States. I have not played at any place that accepts credit cards. Any place that does accept credit cards from U.S. citizens goes on my shady list right away. I don't have my bank directly linked to any poker-room, so that won't be a problem either.

The biggest effect this will have on me, IMO, is that a casual player likely won't "jump through hoops" of opening up a neteller account to place their funds in, where before, they could use their check card. Or they will be scared they will be breaking the law, which they won't be.

Which in turn will mean not as many shitty players will be playing and easy money harder to come by.

 

[insight]

Well I can tell you several of the largest poker rooms, including partypoker and full tilt poker, have stated that as soon as the bill is signed they will be terminating all U.S. accounts. The rhetoric that it isn't a big deal is simply no longer true. It is a big deal because the poker sites are shutting down access to comply and avoid legal entanglements.

 

[Wurm]

Making things worse is the fact it got tacked onto a port security bill, which ensures Bush will sign it as he is avidly pro border control. Basically this means it is time for me to find a new source of income

At least there are still card rooms in California

Tacking on to bills has gotten many a crappy law passed in our country. They need to do away with it. Every law should stand on its own merits. Of course the lazy bastards who run the show will never go for it, too much honest work.

 

[denverdog]

Here is the Party Poker press release. Linky

 

[davidr2340]

Already illegal in my state... :angry:

 

[Infinity]

Unbelievable - our rights are slowly diminishing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is for our own good and so too are
all the other laws, like smoking etc.

Don't shout blame though, remember, the lawmakers were voted in by you.

If you want change, vote for change ???

Brian

Our rights? Not sure about that one. I believe gambling, done in the fashion that is being targeted, is against the law. It's just that folks have been able to get around it, although probably not for long. Hmmmm... reminds of another illegal activity having to do with our friends south of us. :whistling:

That's true - who made and enacted that law ???

Brian

 

[cohibasurfer]

Ahhhh Fudge! :angry:

 

[Blue Dragon]

Here is the Party Poker press release. Linky

It is starting already. I guess it is time to proactively shut down my accounts.

 

[benjiev]

Yeh that online gambling is definately a no no in Washington! The legislature here believe this is a major factor in taking our yout down the wrong path.....

 

[CoventryCat86]

One of my favorite quotes is from C S Lewis:

Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated: but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

LMAO!! Good one Smurf!!!! :thumbs:


Call me paranoid but I would never use real money to gamble on line. I can think of all kinds of scenarios where some unsuspecting soul walks into what they think is a legitmate game where in fact it probably isn't but rather a set up by two or more people in the game who are in kahoots with one another.

If ya want to gamble, go to the casinos. Chances are you'll lose in the long run anyway but no where near as fast as you can in a rigged or crooked on line game.

 

[Shooter]

Casino's are great, I am in love with the 60 yr old drink gals in tight skirts....

 

[Newfie]

Like Bill, I also never gamble on-line. I have 2 reasons. One is I don't really trust them with my Credit Card info, and the second is I don't trust myself when they have said info!! :blush:

While I sit on the fence with the on-line gambling issue a little, I do lean towards agreeing with cutting it out. I think legal government sponsored (Govt casinos like we have here in Canada, lotteries, Govt sports betting like we have here in Canada) are all taxes on the poor. IN the rare times I walk into a casino here in Windsor or Detroit, it disgusts me to see people who could obviously use the money in better ways throwing $100 bills at the slots and other games.