Pass Rules:

[NorCalCigarLover]

Here are the Pass Rules that I am using in my current pass:

1. A complete physical inventory will be done upon receiving the pass. Also confirm that the baggie numbering corresponds to the Official Cigar List numbering. Post any problems in the pass thread and contact your Pass Host directly.
2. Inspect the box and packaging materials for proper cigar packing. If necessary, correct any problems and either post your concerns in the pass thread and/or contact your Pass Host directly.
3. Do not remove the cigars from their individual baggies unless they are part of your approved P&T’s.
4. Post your proposed Puts and Takes (P&T’s) in the pass thread prior to receiving the pass. If there are issues with a participant’s proposals, please be polite and post your concerns in the forum. Please do not take this process personal, your Pass Host will make the final decision.
5. Put & Takes (P/T’s) should be: a) value for value, b) rarity for rarity, c) NC for NC, d) Premium for Premium and e) ISOM for ISOM.
6. Confirmation of readiness must be made in the pass thread prior to shipping the package to the next participant.
7. Package will be shipped via USPS with delivery confirmation. Post the DC# in the forum immediately following shipping.

These rules are the product of hosting a few passes and have been fine tuned to fit what I think is needed to run a successful pass. Of course these rules aren't always followed and participants need to be reminded, just check out the iPass Blues Pass. The one rule that is always challenged is rule number 5.
I've probably worked with this rule the most, trying to keep it easy for participants but still keep the pass interesting.

What do guys think about these rules, especially number 5?

 

[Drew_Moberly]

Those are standard and very easily accomidating i dont understand how people are having trouble following those.

I have never seen that problem really in any of the passes ive been involved in. It just happens sometimes when you get newer guys who are anxious to get an isom or premium as soon as possible and will do anything to do so.

Overall though they are standard and acceptable rules.

 

[Blue Dragon]

5. Put & Takes (P/T’s) should be: a) value for value, b) rarity for rarity, c) NC for NC, d) Premium for Premium and e) ISOM for ISOM.

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Man, Shiba, I wasn't trying to be an ass. I was just going by what was posted, and it looks like NorCal and I were typing at the same time. I think historically the ISOM for ISOM was created to keep people from trading and NC for an ISOM, since it is typically harder or rarer to come across a good ISOM. However, you don't really see ppl going the other direction, trading and ISOM for an NC. This rule helps to keep things pretty simple and not too confusing or difficult to gauge if the P's and T's are relatively equal.

Personally, at this stage in my smoking preferences, I would rather go for an ISOM than an NC. And if you take rarity of the ISOM (like age) into consideration to rarity of the NC, I would be game for it. But that is me and what I would be cool w/ in my pass (kickin off in April I hope).

But in the end, the host of the pass gets to pass the final judgement. It is the host's call on what the protocol will be and what was the intention of the rules in the pass. It would be the host's call if he is willing to make an exception. If an exception was made, I would hope that the host explained it clearly so as not to confuse the other participants.

But Shiba, if you want, I'll trade for those sticks and you can trade them from me for some o' them dark beauties. :thumbs:

Just my $.02.
- C

 

[Castaway]

I'd add "quantity for quantity" to #5. The number of puts should equal the number of takes, IMHO.

 

[AVB]

I don't agree with #4 and think it would be hard to enforce anyway. Sometimes I see something interesting and change my mind.

#5 is up to the passmaster. What you posted is the norm but doesn't have to be the rule.

Here are the Pass Rules that I am using in my current pass:

4. Post your proposed Puts and Takes (P&T’s) in the pass thread prior to receiving the pass. If there are issues with a participant’s proposals, please be polite and post your concerns in the forum. Please do not take this process personal, your Pass Host will make the final decision.
5. Put & Takes (P/T’s) should be: a) value for value, b) rarity for rarity, c) NC for NC, d) Premium for Premium and e) ISOM for ISOM.

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[BkCloud114]

7. Package will be shipped via USPS with delivery confirmation. Post the DC# in the forum immediately following shipping.

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I think #5 is great.... if someone can't get that one straight, then they should not have been in the pass to begin with.

I have a question about #7... with a few of the problems that some people have had with the PO lately (they lost one whole pass).... would UPS be alright to use instead of the PO ?

 

[bfreebern]

I'd add "quantity for quantity" to #5. The number of puts should equal the number of takes, IMHO.

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Well I for one like to put 1 or 2 more puts then takes, just the way I do things.

 

[BkCloud114]

I'd add "quantity for quantity" to #5. The number of puts should equal the number of takes, IMHO.

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Well I for one like to put 1 or 2 more puts then takes, just the way I do things.

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I also do the same thing.... but alot of people are starting passes with the assumption that they will get more than what they sent... so "quantity for quantity" is not so bad... I don't think anybody would have a problem if someone broke one of the rules by putting in more than they take. :laugh:

 

[bfreebern]

I'd add "quantity for quantity" to #5. The number of puts should equal the number of takes, IMHO.

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Well I for one like to put 1 or 2 more puts then takes, just the way I do things.

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I also do the same thing.... but alot of people are starting passes with the assumption that they will get more than what they sent... so "quantity for quantity" is not so bad... I don't think anybody would have a problem if someone broke one of the rules by putting in more than they take. :laugh:

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You selfish bastige!

 

[KayakinBoy]

7. Package will be shipped via USPS with delivery confirmation. Post the DC# in the forum immediately following shipping.

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I think #5 is great.... if someone can't get that one straight, then they should not have been in the pass to begin with.

I have a question about #7... with a few of the problems that some people have had with the PO lately (they lost one whole pass).... would UPS be alright to use instead of the PO ?

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BK, I know what you are talking about and I got another pass and tried to do DC and Sig Confirmation, and they don't allow both... With Signature, they HAVE to sign for it, so when in doubt it's best, I think.

 

[Rob_k]

those are a good set of rules to follow in general. Rule #5, the posting of puts and takes, i think is one of the most important. i feel it is good to show what you are adding / subtracting to the pass, as it gives people with less experience a chance to see how a pass is done. as KB stated, if you can't do that aspect of the pass, you shouldn't be in the pass.

 

[BlindedByScience]

I don't agree with #4 and think it would be hard to enforce anyway. Sometimes I see something interesting and change my mind.

Got to agree here. I have no issue with getting the P&T's approved by the pass starter and posting them in thread, but as AVB says, sometimes when you lay them all out for inventory, you see something that strikes your eye and you change your mind on what you'd originally decided.....

This has never prevented me from doing a "one day turn" on the passes I've been lucky enough to be included in, BTW.....

My $00.02 - B.B.S.

 

[stevehawk]

I'd add "quantity for quantity" to #5. The number of puts should equal the number of takes, IMHO.

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Well I for one like to put 1 or 2 more puts then takes, just the way I do things.

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Many pass participants add extra sticks, but I'm in agreement with Castaway on this one. The pinned topic in the Pass Thread titled "Equal Puts = Equal Takes", is a must-read. Here's a link.

I think a lot of people add extras because they are being generous. For others, though, I think they add extras because they think it's "the expected thing to do". Just so everyone who is considering joining their first pass knows: it is NOT expected or required.

If you want to thank the pass host for putting a pass together, I believe in sending a small "thank you" bomb that is separate from the pass. Just my $.02.

 

[NorCalCigarLover]

Good points guys :thumbs:

I agreee that rule 4 needs to be reworked, I also prefer to make my P&T decisions after the pass has arrived and all of the sticks are in front of me. But I do prefer that P&T's be worked out in the pass thread rather than in PM's.

I didn't start this thread because there were any problems, I just wnated to fine tune the set of standard pass rules that I use and may benefit other pass hosts.

Rule 5 isn't challenged only by newer guys who are anxious, and usually the puts are more generous than the takes.

 

[Mr Peat]

I think one that gets over looked is how many sticks one takes in a pass. Personally, I think there should be some reasonable limit. One player takes 6 sticks while another takes 1 because of what was taken already. I left a pass simply because of this very reason. I felt it wasnt fair that an individual did something like this and didnt think of the rest of the line up may want something. Another one I hate is seeing additional players added after the line up is set and pass already started. Thats not cool IMHO. But what does Mr Peat know. :laugh: