Right and wrong
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The Black Cloud
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My initial reaction is that speech should be free regardless if it is unpopular. However, you also have to figure in whether that includes hate speach and whether that should be protected. In my mind progressive discourse of ideas should be protected at all times and speach that serves no purpose other than to denigrate and vilify should be curbed.
The tricky part is deciding which is which.
Then again, my personal views on censorship perhaps would not jive with any limits.
The tricky part is deciding which is which.
Then again, my personal views on censorship perhaps would not jive with any limits.
Josh
Chronically Misinformed
No, it's not right. What they're doing and preaching is disgusting.
However, it's a moral issue, not a legal issue. I'm with the Supreme Court on this.
However, it's a moral issue, not a legal issue. I'm with the Supreme Court on this.
Not A Nice Person
Pink.
Free speech includes speech we disagree with, even find reprehensible and disgusting, or it is meaningless.
Free speech also protects the "angels" who've been blocking these raving ballsacks from view when they show up at funerals. :thumbs:
We get the society we make.
~Boar
Free speech also protects the "angels" who've been blocking these raving ballsacks from view when they show up at funerals. :thumbs:
We get the society we make.
~Boar
Bayamos
You reap what you sow...
This is worth a watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGYx8wc3q0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGYx8wc3q0&feature=player_embedded
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This is a pretty cool deal. Much respect for these guys.
Mr Peat
Rich Perelman, "Loren you have a Godlike Presence.
I've seen them do burial detail before. Its pretty impressive. As for the OP. Unfortunately I agree with the US Supreme Court. Now when it comes to the moral aspect of it, I am completely PO'ed that someone would actually do that at a soldier's funeral services. Just like the punk kid that burnt the American Flag at a University of Utah protest. Our neighbor that was a war hero during Vietnam and a POW for nearly 8 years had another take on it. He went up there and tried to kill the kid for burning the flag. The case was settled out of court and the guy never saw a day in jail for attempted murder. But I can't stress enough that he was a war hero. I have no idea if he is alive or not now since that happened in the 1990's.
When I read about certain things such as this it makes me wonder the thought process of these individuals. The buried (RIP) had fought and died defending OUR country, and in so doing that allow us the ability to have freedom of speech and the liberties we have as Americans. Now using that right of freedom of speech, picketing and protesting a respectful and well deserved funerals for these American hero's is completely absurd, because without their sacrifice and the sacrifices every citizen in the military there would be no picketing and protesting something you believe is wrong. So why not picket and protest funerals for the military that defend our rights and liberties, sounds right to me? I mean come on now COMMON F***ING SENSE!!!!
ETA - It's your right as an American citizen to be a disrespectful buttwipe!!! :blush:
ETA - It's your right as an American citizen to be a disrespectful buttwipe!!! :blush:
Devil Doc
When Death smiles, Corpsmen smile back
The Bill of Rights is for assholes too.
Doc.
Doc.
PetersCreek
Codger-in-training
On the bright side, the First Amendment does not protect anyone from the social consequences of saying something monumentally stupid. I can only hope these BVD skid marks find living in their community to be very, very uncomfortable and increasingly so.
AVB
Jesus of Cool, I'm bad, I'm nationwide
That young Marine died to protect those rights. His honor cannot be changed by words on a sign.
JTuttle
New Member
WBC is another group of crazies that have no respect for others. From what I understand most of the members are just from there leader Fred Phelps extended family. I bet not even one of there members has even served in the Military. It disgusts me and pisses me off to no end but I guess I served my country so even the morons can have there Say.
The PGR sound cool but having seen a ton of Motorscycles at my fathers funneral it is a bit loud. My dads biker buds kind road as an escourt from the church to the cemetary.
The PGR sound cool but having seen a ton of Motorscycles at my fathers funneral it is a bit loud. My dads biker buds kind road as an escourt from the church to the cemetary.
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mjolnir01
El Cañón de Latón
It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
- Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC
As much as we despise their actions, the fact that these protesters are allowed to voice their repugnant views demonstrates that our system works. I choose to think of them as the chirping canaries in the mineshaft of freedom. I'm also very thankful for men like the freedom riders, who are also protected under our system.
It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
- Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC
As much as we despise their actions, the fact that these protesters are allowed to voice their repugnant views demonstrates that our system works. I choose to think of them as the chirping canaries in the mineshaft of freedom. I'm also very thankful for men like the freedom riders, who are also protected under our system.