LibertyToad
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The problem with compromising one something like this is that we lose something. I suppose it's better than paying unreasonable taxes but it is frustrating....
The problem with compromising one something like this is that we lose something. I suppose it's better than paying unreasonable taxes but it is frustrating....
" We are going to tax big evil tobacco to help save the helpless little children"
We are in deep doodoo with that caliber of legislators.
Crap like this program makes me wonder what the hell I was thinking when I joined the Army to defend this great nation. I paid a high price for the freedoms I enjoy and here they are going to strip the last thing that keeps me sane while I fight my losing battle to being in a wheel chair. I get screwed enough by the VA and now crap like this.
It will pass because all the bandwagoners that want smoking gone will vote for it. B&M shops will close down because of it. People will start quitting smoking as the burden of price will be so unbearable. Then as the program guarantees the money, they will have to target other areas of your life to make up for the lost revenue. If you own a home or car, the taxes will increase significantly. The next step will be to either increase taxes on alcohol or renter's tax. Since they don't have to pay taxes on their apartment. Finally you will see GPS's in vehicles so they can start taxing the miles you drive on the road.
This crap makes me want to move to a different country. As the VA has to pay for my medical care no matter where I am at in the world. I guess that little benefit is a huge plus. Grrrrrrr!!!!
"We were successful in continuing to have the floor tax NOT apply to large cigars"....
That means no Tax on cigars we smoke?...larger ring sizes?
Correct!!!"We were successful in continuing to have the floor tax NOT apply to large cigars"....
That means no Tax on cigars we smoke?...larger ring sizes?
I think the 'floor tax' segment was a tax on inventory shops already had. That was going to be a huge part of the problem. If I'm reading it correctly, the tax (if passed) will only be on new orders, instead of both new and existing stock.
THIS JUST IN!!!
SCHIP Legislation Introduced Including
40-cent Cap on Premium Cigars International Premium Cigar & Pipe Retailers Association (IPCPR)
Bill Looks for Easy Passage Through House of Representatives--House May Vote as Early as Thursday
January 13, 2009 - The latest version of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), HR2, has been officially introduced in House Ways & Means Committee. The industry compromise on the revised tax rate on large cigars has been incorporated into HR2. The new tax rate will be 52.4% with a maximum tax cap on any one cigar at 40 cents per cigar.
In previous versions of SCHIP legislation, the tax cap rate held at $3 per cigar. Your trade association and its federal lobbyists, working in conjunction with the Cigar Association of America, our industry came together to agressively challenge the distasterous, proposed $3 tax cap, and get the substantially reduced to the more sustainable 40-cent tax cap.
The IPCPR also recognizes the work of the associate members of your association, who were a key component in educating to Congress on our industry. Thank you to our retail members and their customers for supporting our aggressive grassroots efforts.
While HR2 looks to breeze through the House, it may have a slower journey through the Senate, though we do not expect any direct changes to the tax cap rate.
SCHIP Legislation Details
The new tax rates are effective April 1, 2009;
The cigarette tax rate goes from $.39 per pack to $1.00 per pack;
The tax on snuff goes from $.585 per pound to $1.50 per pound;
The tax on pipe tobacco goes from $1.0969 per pound to $2.8126 per pound;
The tax on RYO goes from $1.0969 per pound to $24.62 per pound (not a typo).
Additionally the definition of RYO has been expanded to include cigar wrappers to address the "blunt wraps" issue;
The tax change to small cigars (cigars weighing less the three (3) pounds per thousand will be phased in over five (5) years at the following rates per year:
2009 & 2010 - $.25 per pack
2011 & 2012 - $.50 per pack
2013 & 2014 - $.75 per pack
2015 and beyond - $1.00 per pack
We were successful in continuing to have the floor tax NOT apply to large cigars; however it does pertain to any other tobacco products.
The International Premium Cigar & Pipe Retailers Association (IPCPR) is a not-for-profit trade association organized as the advocate for the independent retail tobacconist and recognized as the "Voice of Authority and Reason" on premium tobacco related issues.
International Premium Cigar & Pipe Retailers Association (IPCPR)
Chris McCalla
Legislative Director
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However, within the scope of the topic, if you voted for liberals, you voted for SCHIP.