They REAL Gurkha

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Lest we have too much fun over those royal cigars, let us remember them as the Warriors they are.

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Image captionGurkhas are part of the British Army

Gurkhas have been part of the British Army for almost 200 years, but who are these fearsome Nepalese fighters?

"Better to die than be a coward" is the motto of the world-famous Nepalese Gurkha soldiers who are an integral part of the British Army.

They still carry into battle their traditional weapon - an 18-inch long curved knife known as the kukri.

In times past, it was said that once a kukri was drawn in battle, it had to "taste blood" - if not, its owner had to cut himself before returning it to its sheath.

Now, the Gurkhas say, it is used mainly for cooking.

The potential of these warriors was first realised by the British at the height of their empire-building in the last century.

The Victorians identified them as a "martial race", perceiving in them particularly masculine qualities of toughness.

Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had a country more faithful friends than you
Sir Ralph Turner MC, 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles, 1931
After suffering heavy casualties in the invasion of Nepal, the British East India Company signed a hasty peace deal in 1815, which also allowed it to recruit from the ranks of the former enemy.

Following the partition of India in 1947, an agreement between Nepal, India and Britain meant four Gurkha regiments from the Indian army were transferred to the British Army, eventually becoming the Gurkha Brigade.

Since then, the Gurkhas have loyally fought for the British all over the world, receiving 13 Victoria Crosses between them.

More than 200,000 fought in the two world wars, and in the past 50 years they have served in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Borneo, Cyprus, the Falklands, Kosovo and now in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They serve in a variety of roles, mainly in the infantry but with significant numbers of engineers, logisticians and signals specialists.

The name "Gurkha" comes from the hill town of Gorkha from which the Nepalese kingdom had expanded.

The ranks have always been dominated by four ethnic groups, the Gurungs and Magars from central Nepal, the Rais and Limbus from the east, who live in villages of impoverished hill farmers.

They keep to their Nepalese customs and beliefs, and the brigade follows religious festivals such as Dashain, in which - in Nepal, not the UK - goats and buffaloes are sacrificed.

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Image captionActress Joanna Lumley has been the public face of the campaign on behalf of the Gurkhas
But their numbers have been sharply reduced from a World War II peak of 112,000 men, and now stand at about 3,500.

During the two world wars 43,000 men lost their lives.

The Gurkhas are now based at Shorncliffe near Folkestone, Kent - but they do not become British citizens.

The soldiers are still selected from young men living in the hills of Nepal - with about 28,000 youths tackling the selection procedure for just over 200 places each year.

The selection process has been described as one of the toughest in the world and is fiercely contested.

Young hopefuls have to run uphill for 40 minutes carrying a wicker basket on their back filled with rocks weighing 70lbs.

They are tough, they are brave, they are durable, they are amenable to discipline.
Tony Gould, Historian
Prince Harry lived with a Gurkha battalion during his 10 weeks in Afghanistan.

There is said to be a cultural affinity between Gurkhas and the Afghan people which is beneficial to the British Army effort there.

Historian Tony Gould said Gurkhas have brought an excellent combination of qualities from a military point of view.

He said: "They are tough, they are brave, they are durable, they are amenable to discipline.

"They have another quality which you could say some British regiments had in the past, but it's doubtful that they have now, that is a strong family tradition.

"So that within each battalion there were usually very, very close family links, so when they were fighting, they were not so much fighting for their officers or the cause but for their friends and family."

Historically, Gurkhas who had served their time in the Army - a maximum of 30 years, and a minimum of 15 to secure a pension - were discharged back to Nepal.
 
My dad served with them in WW2 Burma. I used to beg him to tell me story after story. He was in awe of them. They are also psyops masters.
 
Here's a story I heard. Never been able to totally vett it, but sounds like something they would do, based on my dad's stories:

"This is a tactic the Gurkhas used in Afghanistan (in the recent conflict there). If they were to attack a Taliban outpost, they'd sneak ahead and kill the outer perimeter guards. Then they'd cut off the guards' heads, and reattach them with sticks.

When the guard change happened, the new guards would tap their friends on the shoulder and crap themselves as their friends' heads would fall off. Generally they didn't put up a fight after that - meaning the Gurkhas avoided having to do an assault that could cost lives."
 
I've heard that from WWII especially from Burma but not from the current Afghan war.
 
I've heard that from WWII especially from Burma but not from the current Afghan war.
Yea, I was wondering if it morphed.

My dad said that if they moved around at night, say from where they were camped, they were ordered to always wear their helmets. Something about the Gurkhas could stealthily feel the helmet and tell if friend or foe. Foes got quietly deaded. A lot of the stories were how they operated as sort of assassins.

He also loved the Kachins, native Burmese. Used to say if it wasn't for them, they'd still be trying to cut their way through the jungle. Dad also felt that they saved his and a few other guys lives. They somehow got lost, and Kachins found and took care of them.
 
Yea, I was wondering if it morphed.

My dad said that if they moved around at night, say from where they were camped, they were ordered to always wear their helmets. Something about the Gurkhas could stealthily feel the helmet and tell if friend or foe. Foes got quietly deaded. A lot of the stories were how they operated as sort of assassins.

He also loved the Kachins, native Burmese. Used to say if it wasn't for them, they'd still be trying to cut their way through the jungle. Dad also felt that they saved his and a few other guys lives. They somehow got lost, and Kachins found and took care of them.

That reminds me of a story I heard about Navajo scouts from Vietnam. Could be bullshit of course. But it goes that these guys were incredible scouts and trackers who seemed to have a sixth sense when it came to being ambushed out sensing danger. The army enlisted some and of course cut their hair high and tight during boot camp. Afterwards they seemed to lose their skills and special abilities. So the army ended up letting them keep their long hair which seemed to act like an antenna of some sort when it came to picking up on things.
 
cut their hair high and tight
Yea, I read some things on that too. I found it pretty fascinating. I'm old enough to be pretty open minded. Wouldn't surprise me at all if there really is something to it.
 
Yea, I read some things on that too. I found it pretty fascinating. I'm old enough to be pretty open minded. Wouldn't surprise me at all if there really is something to it.

I'm not optimistic about it not being bullshit, but it is an interesting story.
 
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