trade/pass question

Matty_Vegas

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I have a question...I am putting together a pass and am in need for a few more sticks to round it out..I was thinking a newbie sampler would be great for this..would it be considered bad form to do a newbie sampler and then take the contents of the sampler and use them in a pass???
 
I had thought about that today as well.

I was thinking about that after doing a few newbie samplers. I did a search earlier today and did not find an answer to this.

I will follow this thread. Thanks for posting it.

:thumbs:
 
General protocol is not to put cigars you have received in a trade in another trade or a pass. That way you know cigars you are trading or putting in passes are genuine.

Hope this helps. :)
 
grand cru no 2 said:
General protocol is not to put cigars you have received in a trade in another trade or a pass. That way you know cigars you are trading or putting in passes are genuine.

Hope this helps. :)
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True, but if he did a Newbie Sampler Trade from a FOG isn't he paying for the sticks

Newbie Sampler Thread
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all Matty.

There was a thread about this a while back and I had a big, long post about what I thought the proper protocol was for gifted cigars, cigars received in trades, etc. but I can't seem to find it.

I think cigars that you TRADE for (like in a newbie sampler trade) are fine for you to use as cigars to start a pass with.

I would not sell cigars that were gifted to me but that's just MY OPINION because there are others that say "Hey, it was gifted to me, it's my cigar and I can do with it what I want."

Now that I think about it, what started this whole discussion was when gamehumper posted a "down and out" hard luck story about how he's disabled and can't work and doesn't have much money for cigars, blah, blah, blah. He seemed genuine with his posts so a few kind hearted souls here sent him some cigars.

Well a few weeks later, this prick is offering FOR SALE cigars that people had sent to him. To me, this is the worst of the worst, he clearly took advantage of others generosity so he could line his pockets with cash. gamehumper (his real screen name is "gamelover2004" but we lovingly refer to him as gamehumper :laugh: ) is about the lowest form of scum you will ever encounter on a cigar BB.

Okay, enough history for now, getting back to the original topic. There are some people who would get offended if cigars they bombed someone with wound up being used as pass fodder (cigars to start a pass with) or pass puts or sold or traded. Personally I DO NOT CARE what a person who I either sell cigars to, trade cigars to or bomb a person with does with the cigars that came from me because as far as I'm concerned those cigars are now HIS cigars and he can do whatever he wants with them. NOW, my feelings are slightly different when it comes to cigars I receive because cigars how any of us receive cigars are from any number of different ways which 99% of the time, fall into one of these six categories:
1. Bought from a cigar store or on line.
2. Bought form a private individual or another member of a cigar board.
3. Traded with someone for other cigars.
4. Received as contest winnings (a lotto like CigarPool, a Super Bowl pool, an office cigar pool, etc.)
5. Pulled out of a pass.
6. Received as a gift including Secret Santa or a bomb.

Even though I would not mind at all HOW someone uses a cigar I send him as a gift, I would personally not use cigars I received in category #6 for selling, trading or passing purposes.

There are people on other boards who will rip your head off if you "put" a cigar in a pass that you "took" out of another pass. This is where the concern that Grand Cru mentioned comes into play. I never really thought about it until I had concerns with a couple of cigars I took out of a pass. I smoked them and they seemed fake. On two separate occasions, I PM'd the guy who had "put" the cigar I took and nicely asked him "Hey, that XXXXXXX cigar I took that you put was probably a fake. Where did you get if from so we can both avoid that 'source' in the future?" an BOTH times the guys (two different people on two different boards, one was CP and the other was CW) came back with "Oh gee, I dunno, I pulled it out of a pass and I can't remember which pass it was, sorry." Well I say BULL$HIT :angry2: to that!! So I now am of the opinion that it is indeed "bad form" to "put" cigars in a pass that you "took" from another pass.

Cigars you receive from a FOG in a NST darn well better be real and in good shape therefore I say it's okay to use cigars obtained in that way as pass fodder ;) :thumbs:

Sorry for the incredibly long answer. I hope this helps.
 
coventrycat86 said:
Well a few weeks later, this prick is offering FOR SALE cigars that people had sent to him. To me, this is the worst of the worst, he clearly took advantage of others generosity so he could line his pockets with cash. gamehumper (his real screen name is "gamelover2004" but we lovingly refer to him as gamehumper :laugh: ) is about the lowest form of scum you will ever encounter on a cigar BB.

Worse than Scotty? :0

Sorry for the incredibly long answer.

No you're not. :sign: :laugh:
 
Allot shorter then what CC said:

Never send out the cigars that were given to you.
 
when you do a trade where it is money for cigars is it really a trade?...to me the answer is no...what it is, is better almost..becuase the FOG almost always hooks you up with better smokes than what you would be able to buy for the amount of money you give him..thusly showing you an incredible amount of generosity.

The flipside of this of course..is that if you put sticks that were traded to you, bombed, gifted, won in poker whatever is that you are actually kinda spreading the love to others as well..and trying to propagate brotherhood amongst smokers is what we are trying to do alltogether??

discuss??

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damn cigarbid is cool...and look at all these wonderful samplers on cigarinternational..what a NOOB I really am..looks like I have more sources for pass fodder then just everoyne here..lol...continue discussing anyway...interesting topic
 
Matty,

I feel Gifted cigars or cigars you pull from a pass are never traded. You smoke those. But smokes you traded for or purchase are fine. I'm in the Newbie trade and part of the reason I went into it was to get some nice smokes that I could put into a pass. I happen to request two of any smoke sent to me. One to try and one to pass if I really liked it.
 
Having just done a newbie sampler trade, I am at pains to say that once the cigars are in the other person's possession they are his to dispose of as he sees fit. Sell 'em, trade 'em, make bug killer out of 'em, that's his call.

I'd like to see a few reviews come of it, but that's just a request, not a demand.
 
You can almost always get any of the samplers from CI at cigarbid for much less.
 
I tried my best to not include cigars that I pulled from a pass, received as bombs or as a gift in the West Coast Pass. But, I've done a few passes, trades and buys here on CP so one or two may have fallen in. Now, some of cigars that I've received from bombs, passes, trades and buys I've enjoyed so much that they have become a regular in my humidor. So what may look like a "recycled" cigar is actually one that I purchased because I enjoy them.

:cool:
 
I don't see it being a big problem. As long as you're not profiting off of the generosity of the people here, shouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
So I now am of the opinion that it is indeed "bad form" to "put" cigars in a pass that you "took" from another pass.

I would say that, referring to CCats quote above, that if you DO put in sticks you got in a pass then YOU are thereafter responsible for the authenticity of the cigars. In CCats case, if it were me or any other honorable person, I would have said that I had indeed got them in a pass but since I do not know who put them and I in turn put them in this pass . . . I would make it right with CCat. To just blow it off and say oh well dude I got them in a pass is complete BS! Likly those people (in CCat's passes) knew or suspected they were fake if they did in fact get them in a pass at all and then decided that they would pass them to another poor soul . . . NOT THE WAY TO TREAT A FELLOW BOTL.

My $.02
 
what about those of us who's main source of getting cigars comes from bombs/trades/box splits/samplers/whatever...

there is a contradiction here...are these BOTL's never able to do a pass...as a majourity of thier smokes come from the same source? (cigarpass)

I have given cigars out of trades and bombs I have recieved to my newbie friends..spreading the love???..is this wrong??

(Not trying to be a jerk here..just playing devils advocate...it is just gonna take alot longer to get a pass together I wanna do..I have a cool idea for one too..I wanna play by the rules)

we are getting off the subject here...we are talking strictly about cigars fromt he newbie sampler trade...I would never take a stick froma bomb or pass to use in a pass of my own
 
Matty_Vegas said:
what about those of us who's main source of getting cigars comes from bombs/trades/box splits/samplers/whatever...

there is a contradiction here...are these BOTL's never able to do a pass...as a majourity of thier smokes come from the same source? (cigarpass)

I have given cigars out of trades and bombs I have recieved to my newbie friends..spreading the love???..is this wrong??

(Not trying to be a jerk here..just playing devils advocate...it is just gonna take alot longer to get a pass together I wanna do..I have a cool idea for one too..I wanna play by the rules)
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Almost everyone will agree that if you get cigars through trade or purchase from another on a board, they are yours to do what you see fit. And a lot of people will say if you get them through a bomb or a contest (generosity of a BOTL), they should not be Passed, sold, or traded; but being regifted most will not gripe about. The bottom line is people feel slighted when you purposely use their generosity for your gain.

Emo
 
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