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From the NYT:

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 24 — Microsoft is facing an early crisis of confidence in the quality of its Windows Vista operating system as computer security researchers and hackers have begun to find potentially serious flaws in the system that was released to corporate customers late last month.

On Dec. 15, a Russian programmer posted a description of a flaw that makes it possible to increase a user’s privileges on all of the company’s recent operating systems, including Vista. And over the weekend a Silicon Valley computer security firm said it had notified Microsoft that it had also found that flaw, as well as five other vulnerabilities, including one serious error in the software code underlying the company’s new Internet Explorer 7 browser.

The browser flaw is particularly troubling because it potentially means that Web users could become infected with malicious software simply by visiting a booby-trapped site. That would make it possible for an attacker to inject rogue software into the Vista-based computer, according to executives at Determina, a company based in Redwood City, Calif., that sells software intended to protect against operating system and other vulnerabilities.

Determina is part of a small industry of companies that routinely pore over the technical details of software applications and operating systems looking for flaws. When flaws in Microsoft products are found they are reported to the software maker, which then produces fixes called patches. Microsoft has built technology into its recent operating systems that makes it possible for the company to fix its software automatically via the Internet.

Despite Microsoft assertions about the improved reliability of Vista, many in the industry are taking a wait-and-see approach. Microsoft’s previous operating system, Windows XP, required two “service packs” issued over a number of years to substantially improve security, and new flaws are still routinely discovered by outside researchers.

On Friday, a Microsoft executive posted a comment on a company security information Web site stating the company was “closely monitoring” the vulnerability described by the Russian Web site. It permits the privileges of a standard user account in Vista and other versions of Windows to be increased, permitting control of all of the operations of the computer. In Unix and modern Windows systems, users are restricted in the functions they can perform, and complete power is restricted to certain administrative accounts.

“Currently we have not observed any public exploitation or attack activity regarding this issue,” wrote Mike Reavey, operations manager of the Microsoft Security Response Center. “While I know this is a vulnerability that impacts Windows Vista, I still have every confidence that Windows Vista is our most secure platform to date.”

On Saturday, Nicole Miller, a Microsoft spokeswoman, said the company was also investigating the reported browser flaw and that it was not aware of any attacks attempting to use the vulnerability.

Microsoft has spent millions branding the Vista operating system as the most secure product it has produced, and it is counting on Vista to help turn the tide against a wave of software attacks now plaguing Windows-based computers.

Vista is critical to Microsoft’s reputation. Despite an almost four-and-half-year campaign on the part of the company, and the best efforts of the computer security industry, the threat from harmful computer software continues to grow. Criminal attacks now range from programs that steal information from home and corporate PCs to growing armies of slave computers that are wreaking havoc on the commercial Internet.

Although Vista, which will be available on consumer PCs early next year, has been extensively tested, it is only now being exposed to the challenges of the open Internet.

“I don’t think people should become complacent,” said Nand Mulchandani, a vice president at Determina. “When vendors say a program has been completely rewritten, it doesn’t mean that it’s more secure from the get-go. My expectation is we will see a whole rash of Vista bugs show up in six months or a year.”

The Determina executives said that by itself, the browser flaw that was reported to Microsoft could permit damage like the theft of password information and the attack of other computers.

However, one of the principal security advances of Internet Explorer 7 is a software “sandbox” that is intended to limit damage even if a malicious program is able to subvert the operation of the browser. That should limit the ability of any attacker to reach other parts of the Vista operating system, or to overwrite files.

However, when coupled with the ability of the first flaw that permits the change in account privileges, it might then be possible to circumvent the sandbox controls, said Alexander Sotirov, a Determina security researcher. In that case it would make it possible to alter files and potentially permanently infect a target computer. This kind of attack has yet to be proved, he acknowledged.

The Determina researchers said they had notified Microsoft of four other flaws they had discovered, including a bug that would make it possible for an attacker to repeatedly disable a Microsoft Exchange mail server simply by sending the program an infected e-mail message.

Last week, the chief technology officer of Trend Micro, a computer security firm in Tokyo, told several computer news Web sites that he had discovered an offer on an underground computer discussion forum to sell information about a security flaw in Windows Vista for $50,000. Over the weekend a spokesman for Trend Micro said that the company had not obtained the information, and as a result could not confirm the authenticity of the offer.

Many computer security companies say that there is a lively underground market for information that would permit attackers to break in to systems via the Internet.
 
We're testing it on a few machines. Very diffcult to worl with and not just a 'learning curve' issue. Thanks for postin this info!
 
Microsofts initial software releases have always been suspect, why would this one be any different?
 
But Mr. Gates said it would be an awsome system that would change the world of computers as we know it.

He would not lie to us just to make a few billion bucks, would he? :whistling:
 
I've been playing with the beta versions of Vista, and recently with the final release of Ultimate. Vista has convinced me to finally switch over to Mac. I am finally seriously considering ditching Windows as my primary OS and getting a Mac, which is now based of the UNIX core, thus making it much more stable, reliable, secure, and more compatible with many more programs.

I think we're finally going to see more people ditching Windows. Vista looks just like XP, but with a different skin. Not only that, but they have completely copied Mac OS X, except have done a poor job at knocking it off. Have you seen Office 2007? The "ribbon" is a joke. If you've played with '07, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be switching to Mac first of the year. Shame Microsoft hasn't made any progress with their OS. Not sure what's up with Microsoft, but they are are NOT progressing.
 
The article is rather silly; because Vista for all of its flaws is still more secure than XP, or any other Windows OS out there. Sure, there will be exploits, patches, etc., but the fact is that these already exist in multitudes for XP and other Windows OSs already.

I've been playing with the beta versions of Vista, and recently with the final release of Ultimate. Vista has convinced me to finally switch over to Mac. I am finally seriously considering ditching Windows as my primary OS and getting a Mac, which is now based of the UNIX core, thus making it much more stable, reliable, secure, and more compatible with many more programs.

I think we're finally going to see more people ditching Windows. Vista looks just like XP, but with a different skin. Not only that, but they have completely copied Mac OS X, except have done a poor job at knocking it off. Have you seen Office 2007? The "ribbon" is a joke. If you've played with '07, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be switching to Mac first of the year. Shame Microsoft hasn't made any progress with their OS. Not sure what's up with Microsoft, but they are are NOT progressing.

Welcome to enlightenment, Rod. :)
 
I've been playing with the beta versions of Vista, and recently with the final release of Ultimate. Vista has convinced me to finally switch over to Mac. I am finally seriously considering ditching Windows as my primary OS and getting a Mac, which is now based of the UNIX core, thus making it much more stable, reliable, secure, and more compatible with many more programs.

I think we're finally going to see more people ditching Windows. Vista looks just like XP, but with a different skin. Not only that, but they have completely copied Mac OS X, except have done a poor job at knocking it off. Have you seen Office 2007? The "ribbon" is a joke. If you've played with '07, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be switching to Mac first of the year. Shame Microsoft hasn't made any progress with their OS. Not sure what's up with Microsoft, but they are are NOT progressing.



Funny, after looking at the test machines we have...I too thought about a Mac. Pretty funny since I've made a living in the Windows world!
 
...I too thought about a Mac. Pretty funny since I've made a living in the Windows world!

Same here. I work in IT and everything is PC related. However, my personal business is internet based (web hosting and design), so having a Mac will probably allow me to do my job even better. Especially considering that the Mac is UNIX based, and my servers are LINUX/UNIX. :)
 
lets just point out the wonderful ME product by microsoft. To me that says it all. the new MILLENIUM EDITION that was set to be the last great move and must have OS for EVERYONE that was released and now is hidden and forbdden talk in the IT sircles.

NEVER, jump on a new piece of software - no matter what it is - until its bugs are worked out and its proven to be a functional and secure product.

dont let MS use you as a test pig when you buy a new computer and they tell you "its the new OS that everyone wants...." and talk you into getting it with this on it!

dont be a fool. give it 6months to a year before you start changing things over.

save yourself the trouble and head aches
 
I've been playing with the beta versions of Vista, and recently with the final release of Ultimate. Vista has convinced me to finally switch over to Mac. I am finally seriously considering ditching Windows as my primary OS and getting a Mac, which is now based of the UNIX core, thus making it much more stable, reliable, secure, and more compatible with many more programs.

I think we're finally going to see more people ditching Windows. Vista looks just like XP, but with a different skin. Not only that, but they have completely copied Mac OS X, except have done a poor job at knocking it off. Have you seen Office 2007? The "ribbon" is a joke. If you've played with '07, you know what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be switching to Mac first of the year. Shame Microsoft hasn't made any progress with their OS. Not sure what's up with Microsoft, but they are are NOT progressing.

I haven't used Vista yet, but I am also considering switching to Mac next time I buy.

My only concern is the wife's ability to easily adapt (and to be truthful, my ability to change over without too steep a curve). We've both used Windows based PCs since forever and she is just now getting to the point that she doesn't need my help to do anything other than the most basic (she rarely uses the computer for anything other than internet and e-mail).

I am, however, seriously considering the switch and starting all over again.
 
I use vista, and like it. Now, my machines capable of running it, some others I have seen are not.

I have been using Vista through the beta stages, and now with the OEM version and with a good machine it works quite well.
 
Hey Burnt Tongue, where did you get that La Aurora image?
I worked pretty hard on this one, which seems to have the same layers as yours.

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this image is also part of our tradmark which is on file.
any chance this is our image?
 
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