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Waxing theoretical about our passion for cigars

JimK

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Saturday night I smoked an excellent cigar from a cab that has been nothing but pleasure. A spicy little number that always treats me right. A real dark beauty, aged from 2001.

The cigar tasted like a cross between a bad cigarette and nothing. All I could taste was the heat.

But I made the mistake of smoking it when I had a mild cold. I had no sense of taste. I couldn't have tasted a roast beef dinner. I had coddled, stored, monitored, and aged this cigar in ideal conditions. I cut and lit it with my choice of premium instruments specifically designed for the task. Given the history of the cab, it was probably a great-tasting cigar. But I couldn't taste a thing, and put it down after a few puffs.

It got me to thinking. Sometimes this hobby is a little like the hi-fi audio hobby, on which I also spend too much money. People who are heavily invested in hi-fi spend thousands on minor tweaks that offer a barely-perceptible difference, if it all. For example:

-drawing on your CDs with a green felt tip marker to enhance clarity
-special isolator feet for stereo components to reduce vibration transfer
-third-party replacement power cables (to replace the detachable one that comes for free)

A lot of people say that they can hear the difference with tweaks like those above, but it is a placebo effect in most cases. Experts never reliably detect improvements from the tweaks above in a double-blind test. Most "experts" won't even agree to a double-blind test, so they can preserve the illusion. A lot of tweaks make such a subtle difference that the human ear can't even hear it, so what is the point? For many, the point is that they have the best gear and the maximum theoretical *potential* audio reproduction, whether they can hear it or not.

Cigar smoking is somewhat the same, in that we are limited by the fidelity of our sense of smell and taste. And yet, we also have our own tweaks:

-keeping our cigars at 65% versus 67% (or whatever)
-keeping our cigars at an exact temperature
-method of lighting cigars (soft flame versus torch, etc)
-method of cuting cigars
-buying certain box codes
-etc...

Now I know the above are all deadly serious business to us, but just like you laugh at some of the hi-fi tweaks above, others would laugh at our efforts, because we spend big money above and beyond the cost of our cigars themselves for sometimes minimal gains.

On this board, we have much discussion about our humidity preferences. I don't know if I can taste the difference between a cigar that has been kept at 65% or 67% percent humidity? Can you? Really? Wow. MRN suggests that temperature affects the aging process. If you smoked 5 identical cigars, and four of them were aged 10 years at 60 degrees and one of them was aged 10 years at 65 degrees, could you pick out the one aged at 65 degrees? Really? Wow.

In other words, a system only has the fidelity of its weakest component, and the weakest component might be us.

Does the quality of your senses, and more obviously, the day to day fluctuations in the fidelity of your senses, mask most of the results of your cigar-related efforts?

Like hi-fi enthusiasts, do you believe you can taste all the money and effort you expend? Do you think you benefit from a placebo effect? Or do you expend money and effort simply to achieve the maximum theoretical *potential* of a cigar?

JK
 
JimK said:
Saturday night I smoked an excellent cigar from a cab that has been nothing but pleasure. A spicy little number that always treats me right. A real dark beauty, aged from 2001.

The cigar tasted like a cross between a bad cigarette and nothing. All I could taste was the heat.

But I made the mistake of smoking it when I had a mild cold. I had no sense of taste. I couldn't have tasted a roast beef dinner. I had coddled, stored, monitored, and aged this cigar in ideal conditions. I cut and lit it with my choice of premium instruments specifically designed for the task. Given the history of the cab, it was probably a great-tasting cigar. But I couldn't taste a thing, and put it down after a few puffs.

It got me to thinking. Sometimes this hobby is a little like the hi-fi audio hobby, on which I also spend too much money. People who are heavily invested in hi-fi spend thousands on minor tweaks that offer a barely-perceptible difference, if it all. For example:

-drawing on your CDs with a green felt tip marker to enhance clarity
-special isolator feet for stereo components to reduce vibration transfer
-third-party replacement power cables (to replace the detachable one that comes for free)

A lot of people say that they can hear the difference with tweaks like those above, but it is a placebo effect in most cases. Experts never reliably detect improvements from the tweaks above in a double-blind test. Most "experts" won't even agree to a double-blind test, so they can preserve the illusion. A lot of tweaks make such a subtle difference that the human ear can't even hear it, so what is the point? For many, the point is that they have the best gear and the maximum theoretical *potential* audio reproduction, whether they can hear it or not.

Cigar smoking is somewhat the same, in that we are limited by the fidelity of our sense of smell and taste. And yet, we also have our own tweaks:

-keeping our cigars at 65% versus 67% (or whatever)
-keeping our cigars at an exact temperature
-method of lighting cigars (soft flame versus torch, etc)
-method of cuting cigars
-buying certain box codes
-etc...

Now I know the above are all deadly serious business to us, but just like you laugh at some of the hi-fi tweaks above, others would laugh at our efforts, because we spend big money above and beyond the cost of our cigars themselves for sometimes minimal gains.

On this board, we have much discussion about our humidity preferences. I don't know if I can taste the difference between a cigar that has been kept at 65% or 67% percent humidity? Can you? Really? Wow. MRN suggests that temperature affects the aging process. If you smoked 5 identical cigars, and four of them were aged 10 years at 60 degrees and one of them was aged 10 years at 65 degrees, could you pick out the one aged at 65 degrees? Really? Wow.

In other words, a system only has the fidelity of its weakest component, and the weakest component might be us.

Does the quality of your senses, and more obviously, the day to day fluctuations in the fidelity of your senses, mask most of the results of your cigar-related efforts?

Like hi-fi enthusiasts, do you believe you can taste all the money and effort you expend? Do you think you benefit from a placebo effect? Or do you expend money and effort simply to achieve the maximum theoretical *potential* of a cigar?

JK
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Coming from the music industry I can't emphasize that Good Stuff is GOOD STUFF-
decks are always Vestax- ( yes you techniK HARLOTS! get back to your corners cause it is just an OPINION)
needles are always Stanton-
and it is always WAX-
boards will always be mackie-
'puter will always be mac
it's not placebo- if you belive in it!

this is something I have gone to war over... so please... please no backtalk- :)
 
OK, now back to the cigar question...... :)

Smoking with a cold, or after a really spicy meal, or even after overindulging on salted pistachios (the salt kinda numbs the tongue) is a waste of time and money.
I even shudder when I see someone mention Coke as the drink on the side. :0

As far as storage, I've got one humi that stays at 60-61% no matter what, another at 62%, and the cooler is a constant 66-67%. They are all at house temp which is never much more or less than 73 degrees. I can't tell the difference between any of the three, but I rarely smoke the same stick twice in a row.

I believe that a lot of vendors/manufacturers ship their smokes too wet, so I rarely smoke anything within a month of delivery, unless they are 'aged' sticks.

So does storage make a difference? "it's not placebo-if you believe in it!" :)
 
I wish I had the "nose" of a connoisseur.
I can't taste any of the subtle differences.
I know if it's too wet or dry from the burn, and I don't like a stick that burns my tounge. There are some tastes that I know I don't like, and I've found that I appreciate a stronger blend and a spicier smoke.
I've had Opus X's and Padron 64s and 26s and found that I am just as happy with a Rocky SG. (Maybe not such a bad thing... at least my wallet thinks so!)

Jim
 
Humidity differences really don't affect how a cigar tastes as far as I know. It's more about how it smokes. High humidity leads to burn problems, low humidity leads to cracking, etc. I can usually tell if a cigar is over or under humidified based on how it feels and how it smokes.

But I agree with your general assessment. My wife thinks I am nuts. I had to move my humidors b/c our AC is out. I was worried more about my cigars getting too hot than my two fish! :laugh:
 
JimK said:
...Cigar smoking is somewhat the same, in that we are limited by the fidelity of our sense of smell and taste. And yet, we also have our own tweaks:

-keeping our cigars at 65% versus 67% (or whatever)
-keeping our cigars at an exact temperature
-method of lighting cigars (soft flame versus torch, etc)
-method of cuting cigars
-buying certain box codes
-etc...
I think audio is a decent analogy. But, anything can be taken to extremes that one could argue aren't "really" important. For example....

- Humidity. I try to run about 65% in my humi's. But - can't see much burn difference with the numbers between 62 and 68.
- Temperature. I try to run about 70 degrees; sometimes hard to do with a house that doesn't have AC. I found a place to put the cooler / humi during the hot season and it runs between 68 and 73F. I'm happy with that and IMHO controlling it tighter "won't" make much difference.
- Lighting. Getting things off to a nice, even start does make a difference. The fine details on how you do that doesn't seem too important, or course as long as it's a wood match / butane so you don't get fuel smells in the cigar.

....etc. My $00.02 is that things matter up to a point...beyond that, I think it's "open for discussion"....

Cheers - B.B.S.
 
First, I am new cigar smoker so my credibility is justifiably suspect. What I've learned thus far. I know what I like and frankly I'd be hard pressed to explain the "what" of it. I enjoy the ritual of selecting, clipping, and lighting. I prefer to smoke alone without distraction. I concentrate on trying to "taste" the smoke and the cap and enjoy exhaling through my nose. For me there is a difference between a "lessor" smoke and a "premium" smoke. It's not the cost, but the quality of the leaf and wrapper. I am becoming more conscious now of how wrappers contribute to the taste and filler to flavor, burn and boldness. Can I tell the difference, or appreciate the subtleties between very different cigars? I believe I can, but it is much harder or impossible for me to do this with similar cigars. This is for me where the audio analogy comes into play. I believe for myself that any appreciable differences that 3 or 5 degrees of temp or humidity variance may deliver is beyond my ability to discern. When I read others comments about subtleties I just tell myself that I'm an old guy and my sensory faculties are "old" to! Now if someone invented a kind of "Viagra" for senses I would probably try it.
:whistling:
 
i truly believe that humidity affects the taste of a cigar, just drying them for a week after delivery, seems to me that they taste better as opposed to ott. i also believe that all taste is subjective, what you might like might not float my boat, that why i enjoy the brotherhood! ymmv! lol! :cool:
 
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