Why am I not surprised

Gentlemen, you have it all wrong. They are taking the flashligths away from the police to give it to the soldiers. They plan to take the rifles away from the marines and soldiers and give them flashlights to fight with.

Does anyone remember that story about the marine that got filmed in a firefight killing a suspected terrorist in Fallujah and got into trouble because he may have killed an innocent. Of course, a few hours earlier he lost a couple of buddies and was wounded but got back into the fight because he knew his squad needed him. He was relieved of duty pending the investigation. To solve this problem, they will be giving the marines the flashlights. ...and the beat goes on....
 
Man, this ish pisses me off. I'm not a leo, but I am triained in pratical unarmed combat and more traditional martial arts. The same rules apply. When a life or death situation presents itself, you react with whats at hand. Taking a perfectly good defence weapon (e.g. a flashlight of 12 or more inches) out of the hands of a person who has to, in some cases make a split second reaction and replace it with an LED light made of some composite -light as a feather stuff IS NOT THE WAY TO PROTECT OUR OFFICERS. So the training is going to be what? Drop the light and deploy the baton? (where those are still allowed) and proceed to protect yourself from the perp on top of you!?! Needless to say I respect our law informent officers. I've been told stories of a day when officers could carry a flashlight in one hand and a sap or blackjack in the other. The old blind and smack pretty much ended any life and death situation with one outa-no-where whack.

There is a guy name Southnarc on the Self Defence Forms who still carries a sap as a narcotics officer and more power to him. He's cleaning the streets and going home to the family at night, thats whats important to law abiding citizens like us. Not what the ACLU tells us.
 
ggiese said:
It sucks in translation...

Unfortunately (and Jason would best understand this) - nothing looks worse to a jury than a cop beating someone with a flashlight - a nightmare for the defense / and a winna for the plaintiff. The ol' "it contains batteries - is made out of aircraft aluminum - is generally very heavy - but was it designed to hit people officer? And did you have other means at your disposal to effect the compliance you desired?" :blush:

You can pretty much smack the crap out of someone - as long as it's justified, you don't make it look like it's a sledgehammer beating and it's not "excessive", and you use the proper "utensil".

Unfortunately - you hand a big heavy metal flashlight to an inexperienced, unseasoned rookie and he's going to go to town - guaranteed.

Experienced officers, on the other hand, tend to shoot the ahole...

You ever considered a career change Matt? :whistling:
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and you use the proper "utensil".
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errr ummm - are you talking from experience George? :whistling: :sign:

Brian
 
My Streamlight SL-35X saved my ass one night. A call went out of a burglary in progress. I was less than a quarter of a mile from the call. I rolled up as the guy was making entry to the house.

To make a long story short I got into a foot chase with the guy...I was about 30 pounds lighter then. I caught up with the guy on the front porch of a near by house. The guy bent over and grabbed a board and was going to hit me with it. I shined the flashlight in his eyes, side stepped him and smacked him in the back of his leg with my trusty flashlight.

The guy went down in a heap and threw up all over himself. I guess it hurt.

The moral of the story is in a life or death moment the weapon you use is of no matter. You gotta do what you have to in order to survive. I could have shot the guy. It would have been perfectly legit. I chose not to...The guy lived to commit more crimes and I did not have to live with shooting some one.

The LAPD is taking a chicken shit politically correct posture concerning officer saffety. Every weapon...My department allows the flashlight to be an emergency impact weapon...You take away from an officer could cost him his life.

You don't beat someone with a flashlight...You use it to stop an action that endangers your life or someone elses.

I still carry that flashlight.
 
My department policy is that we carry non-metal flashlights. However, our issued impact weapon in an ASP baton...essentially a hollow metal pipe that extends. Whatever.

I won't lie though, I love my Streamlight.

TampaSupremo
 
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