Post value and thread meltdowns

[mrjinglesusa]

FYI: Neal and some of the other so called "shit stirrers" have done nothing but protect the community, long before you or I were here. I sometimes do not agree with Neal's methods, but I certainly respect he and the other FOG's motives to protect the bigger picture here.
Grow some thick skin guys, you'll be a better person for it.

This is the truth. Read it and read it well. Read it again. Understand? No? Read it again.

Calling out a guy like Neal because you got your feelings hurt is childish. This isn't grade school. One thing I have learnt - if you want to question a FOG on his methods of calling someone out, DO IT IN PM. No reason to muddy the waters by jumping in...

 

[Matt R]

I think the bar comparison is a bit off. I would more likely compare the site as a club or country club of sort. A place where you have to pay your dues before you are respected as a full member. You enter the "club" with a given amount of respect as a new member. After a while you earn more respect and get to participate in other aspects of the club. Then after even more time you become someone who can demand that the people who came after you earn their respect. A bar is a bar and anyone can enter without any initial respect given. Step out of line and the people in the bar are going to jump on you in an instant. (If you're in the bar's freebern frequents, they'll just cum on your face and send you home without reciprocation). As part of a "club" you're given a bit more rope with which to either hang yourself or use to reel in some respect.

I'm not always a big fan of the way people handle themselves here, myself included sometimes. But, I also know the people who have earned my giving them some latitude and those who haven't.

 

[Hillbilly Steaks]

I think the bar comparison is a bit off. I would more likely compare the site as a club or country club of sort. A place where you have to pay your dues before you are respected as a full member. You enter the "club" with a given amount of respect as a new member. After a while you earn more respect and get to participate in other aspects of the club. Then after even more time you become someone who can demand that the people who came after you earn their respect. A bar is a bar and anyone can enter without any initial respect given. Step out of line and the people in the bar are going to jump on you in an instant. (If you're in the bar's freebern frequents, they'll just cum on your face and send you home without reciprocation). As part of a "club" you're given a bit more rope with which to either hang yourself or use to reel in some respect.

I'm not always a big fan of the way people handle themselves here, myself included sometimes. But, I also know the people who have earned my giving them some latitude and those who haven't.

That's a really good way of putting it! :thumbs:

 

[The Volusianator]

I guess we all need to act like we are in a bar


exactly how it should be...but it's not. I seriously doubt some of the things that have been said to Wade and to other people would be said if they were standing face to face. My 65 year old mom can can act like a bad ass on the internet.

There in lies the biggest problem with internet forums (not that forums are a bad thing, but simply one of the downsides.) A lot can be said behind the protection of a keyboard and monitor that would probably not be said toe to toe.

 

[AVB]

The Corps (and I'm sure the other services have something equal) has a saying. Suck it up and move on.

 

[Matt R]

I guess we all need to act like we are in a bar


exactly how it should be...but it's not. I seriously doubt some of the things that have been said to Wade and to other people would be said if they were standing face to face. My 65 year old mom can can act like a bad ass on the internet.

There in lies the biggest problem with internet forums (not that forums are a bad thing, but simply one of the downsides.) A lot can be said behind the protection of a keyboard and monitor that would probably not be said toe to toe.

And, a post like could be taken as a threat, even if it was just a statement of opinion. Just like in a bar, there are times you shut up, read: don't type, and times you stand up and yell.

 

[bilder]

Telling someone to "Fug off" is bad form no matter who you are.

Paul did not deserve that kind of remark plain and simple. Neal may not like Wade, but that is no reason to be rude to other members of the forum.

Even the guard dog needs to be kept on a leash from time to time.

 

[SamClemmons]

Telling someone to "Fug off" is bad form no matter who you are.

Paul did not deserve that kind of remark plain and simple. Neal may not like Wade, but that is no reason to be rude to other members of the forum.

Even the guard dog needs to be kept on a leash from time to time.

Hey bilder,

fugg off.

NA

 

[Seavita]

Long and short off it if you are on this list(most current) and joined post 05'....you are a post whore......:sign:
Now get off the dammed internet and get back to work....... :laugh:





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[AVB]

You seem to have made a few mistakes. I'll never believe what you post again.

Long and short off it if you are on this list(most current) and joined post 05'....you are a post whore...... :sign:
Now get off the dammed internet and get back to work....... :laugh:


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The Volusianator 14-September 06 2292 23 3.38%
MiamiCubano 27-October 03 1586 19 2.79%
jfields 25-January 07 691 16 2.35%
Saxjazzman 30-December 06 1526 16 2.35%
SamClemmons 6-December 01 2263 15 2.21%
Brickhouse 12-April 06 3355 15 2.21% tone-ny 24-November 04 3073 14 2.06%
Opus meX 4-December 06 654 13 1.91%
AVB 14-November 03 11655 13 1.91%
Burnt Tongue 24-September 06 1186 12 1.76%
NullSmurf 18-January 06 3046 12 1.76%
tkoepp 11-July 06 1229 11 1.62%
Strayvector 30-May 05 1466 11 1.62%
Rod 5-January 01 4503 11 1.62%
rbbrock 4-April 07 53 10 1.47%
smellysell 9-January 07 720 9 1.32%
ggiese 5-December 04 3476 9 1.32%
rob300c 24-October 05 1432 9 1.32%
hoshnasi 24-January 07 127 9 1.32%

 

[AngryFishH]

I guess we all need to act like we are in a bar


exactly how it should be...but it's not. I seriously doubt some of the things that have been said to Wade and to other people would be said if they were standing face to face. My 65 year old mom can can act like a bad ass on the internet.

There in lies the biggest problem with internet forums (not that forums are a bad thing, but simply one of the downsides.) A lot can be said behind the protection of a keyboard and monitor that would probably not be said toe to toe.

And, a post like could be taken as a threat, even if it was just a statement of opinion. Just like in a bar, there are times you shut up, read: don't type, and times you stand up and yell.

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

 

[Jonesy]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

 

[bmd34202]

Telling someone to "Fug off" is bad form no matter who you are.

Paul did not deserve that kind of remark plain and simple. Neal may not like Wade, but that is no reason to be rude to other members of the forum.

Even the guard dog needs to be kept on a leash from time to time.

Hey bilder,

fugg off.

NA

Could someone please clarify....is is "Fug off" or "Fugg off"?

 

[cigar smoke]

To be honest. I would like to hear opinions from objective members who normaly stay on the side lines while these types of discussions unfold. Just curious as to what other people think.

Bob

 

[The Volusianator]

I guess we all need to act like we are in a bar


exactly how it should be...but it's not. I seriously doubt some of the things that have been said to Wade and to other people would be said if they were standing face to face. My 65 year old mom can can act like a bad ass on the internet.

There in lies the biggest problem with internet forums (not that forums are a bad thing, but simply one of the downsides.) A lot can be said behind the protection of a keyboard and monitor that would probably not be said toe to toe.

And, a post like could be taken as a threat, even if it was just a statement of opinion. Just like in a bar, there are times you shut up, read: don't type, and times you stand up and yell.

My post could be taken as a threat? WOW, I hope I'm misunderstanding your post, because I just can't see how it's possible to take what I wrote as a threat. And as far as the second sentence, are you saying that I'm not allowed to give my opinion on this matter? My post was as non threatening as it gets.

 

[MiamiCubano]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

It's unclear to me from your post which person you're suggesting (or at least questioning) should have resorted to a pm or who got "hammered."

But, whatever your point, there are certain things and issues that need to, and should, be shared publicly and brought to light, for the good of the board and our brothers/sisters here. Neal's post, while some may consider crass or "rough around the edges" (you nancy boys who do need to get some thicker skin), was right in line with this concept.

Now...back to Ray's post (#25 above).... :whistling:

 

[cigar smoke]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

It's unclear to me from your post which person you're suggesting (or at least questioning) should have resorted to a pm or who got "hammered."

But, whatever your point, there are certain things and issues that need to, and should, be shared publicly and brought to light, for the good of the board and our brothers/sisters here. Neal's post, while some may consider crass or "rough around the edges" (you nancy boys who do need to get some thicker skin), was right in line with this concept.

Now...back to Ray's post (#25 above).... :whistling:

Miami can I respectfully say that it is true getting a thicker skin sometimes helps, however no matter how thick your skin no one can know what will actually get under another persons skin. We are all different.

Bob

 

[MiamiCubano]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

It's unclear to me from your post which person you're suggesting (or at least questioning) should have resorted to a pm or who got "hammered."

But, whatever your point, there are certain things and issues that need to, and should, be shared publicly and brought to light, for the good of the board and our brothers/sisters here. Neal's post, while some may consider crass or "rough around the edges" (you nancy boys who do need to get some thicker skin), was right in line with this concept.

Now...back to Ray's post (#25 above).... :whistling:

Miami can I repectfully say that it is true getting a thicker skin sometimes helps, however no matter how thick your skin no one can know what will actually get under another persons skin. We are all different.

Bob

Obviously, but that's not the point. The point is not adjusting posts to make them timid and the least likely to ruffle feathers, but rather about protecting the integrity of this forum and looking out for the general good of its brothers/sisters. The point is that if someone has a problem with THAT goal, regardless of how it is delivered, then they are perhaps best suited elsewhere because it is clear they don't see the overall good that is being accomplished.

 

[AngryFishH]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

It's unclear to me from your post which person you're suggesting (or at least questioning) should have resorted to a pm or who got "hammered."

But, whatever your point, there are certain things and issues that need to, and should, be shared publicly and brought to light, for the good of the board and our brothers/sisters here. Neal's post, while some may consider crass or "rough around the edges" (you nancy boys who do need to get some thicker skin), was right in line with this concept.

Now...back to Ray's post (#25 above).... :whistling:

Miami can I repectfully say that it is true getting a thicker skin sometimes helps, however no matter how thick your skin no one can know what will actually get under another persons skin. We are all different.

Bob

Obviously, but that's not the point. The point is not adjusting posts to make them timid and the least likely to ruffle feathers, but rather about protecting the integrity of this forum and looking out for the general good of its brothers/sisters. The point is that if someone has a problem with THAT goal, regardless of how it is delivered, then they are perhaps best suited elsewhere because it is clear they don't see the overall good that is being accomplished.

How does telling someone to go "Fugg" themselves do that exactly?

 

[cigar smoke]

I have only been here a few months and am not taking any sides here but...

It is pretty easy to sit under a cloak of anonymity and flame someone on a bulletin board when in reality the same person would not be as brave with their words in person. I am not saying that some people don't deserve to be flamed, just that it becomes very easy for someone to do it without any fear of repercussion.

Fish

X2.... I probably shouldn't even be speaking about this because of me being new here, But wouldn't the drama be spared and people not get "flamed" if the problem was just taken directly to the member involved via pm instead of a public post where you know you'll get hammered for making your beef public?

It's unclear to me from your post which person you're suggesting (or at least questioning) should have resorted to a pm or who got "hammered."

But, whatever your point, there are certain things and issues that need to, and should, be shared publicly and brought to light, for the good of the board and our brothers/sisters here. Neal's post, while some may consider crass or "rough around the edges" (you nancy boys who do need to get some thicker skin), was right in line with this concept.

Now...back to Ray's post (#25 above).... :whistling:

Miami can I repectfully say that it is true getting a thicker skin sometimes helps, however no matter how thick your skin no one can know what will actually get under another persons skin. We are all different.

Bob

Obviously, but that's not the point. The point is not adjusting posts to make them timid and the least likely to ruffle feathers, but rather about protecting the integrity of this forum and looking out for the general good of its brothers/sisters. The point is that if someone has a problem with THAT goal, regardless of how it is delivered, then they are perhaps best suited elsewhere because it is clear they don't see the overall good that is being accomplished.

Again respectfully, Why cant we have both. Lets protect the core eliments of CP but at the same time do it in a manner that sets a good example of how CP members should conduct themselves.

Bob