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More Smoking Ban B.S.

sonuvabum

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It's not enough that the State of Texas tried to pass a state-wide ban on smoking in public, now my local city, Fort Worth is attempting to do the same thing. The city council is supposed to vote on this measure Tuesday. I sat down tonight and did some research and fired off letters to all the council members including the mayor. Whether it does any good or not remains to be seen. However, with all the talk around the country lately about smoking bans and huge increases in taxes, I thought I'd share some of my findings as well as a draft of the letter I composed. Most of this will be easily adaptable to any number of situations. Please feel free to use any of it to your benefit.

Most of the info I have are in DOC files which I copied and pasted out of web sites. They include hyperlinks to the original articles just to make it easy. The letter I drafted is included in it's entirety below. The links referenced below will need to be pasted. I didn't feel like embedding all those links. Sorry. If you want the DOC files, PM your email addy and I'll forward them to you.

Hopefully this will save someone some time and trouble since this seems to be the rage now, smoker bashing that is.

Wish us luck on Tuesday.

Gary

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Dear Mr. Mayor,

I am writing to request that you do not support any kind of new smoking ordinances which further restrict businesses within the city of Fort Worth. The current smoking guidelines enforced by the city are both adequate and effective. There is no real benefit to be gained by placing more burdensome and additional limitations on businesses which have already spent a great deal of time and money complying with existing ordinances. An outright ban on smoking in public places would render these many thousands of dollars in equipment and remodeling investments worthless.

I ask you to consider a number of elements relating to the subject of smoking in a public place and then reconsider what you are proposing to do and how you plan to implement it.

1st Issue
Health Matters:

Second Hand Smoke (SHS) or Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) have never been definitively proven to be as detrimental to public health as everyone would be led to believe. Time and again, these studies by the EPA and the WHO have been disproved as false and misleading. In each occasion, it was proved conclusively that the data was manipulated and cherry picked in order to achieve a predetermined result.

Just when it seemed anti-smoking activists finally succeeded in producing scientific reports establishing secondhand smoke as a health risk, a federal judge overturned the EPA report in 1998. He ruled the EPA cheated on the science. Later in 1998, the WHO published the largest study ever done on secondhand smoke and lung cancer. The study reported no statistically significant association between secondhand smoke and lung cancer. By Steven Milloy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26109,00.html

The EPA even went so far as to not only remove from the study, two thirds of the data which was unfavorable to their desired results, but they also doubled the margin of error to a level of statistical insignificance so that they could maintain the same results which had been published prior to the conclusion of the study.
Even after excluding most of the studies, the EPA couldn't come up with 3,000 deaths, but they had already announced the results. So they changed the CI to 90%, which, in effect, doubled their margin of error. By Dave Hitt http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html

Michael Crichton, an author who knows something about research, was even asked about this matter by a student. His response is included in this YouTube video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGoZ-b1OaW4

If more proof of this information is necessary, check out Dominick Armentano’s comments at this link; http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html

Second hand smoke may be an annoyance to some people, but the data is just not there to support the supposed level of health risks we hear so much about nor the scare tactics that go along with them.

2nd Issue
Economic Issues:

Beyond health matters, one of the most important criteria that should be considered by any rule making body, be they local, state, or otherwise, should be the economic impact made by their decisions. Much has been written about the nature and severity of the impact surrounding Smoking Ban ordinances. The truth is however, is that it drives revenue down in businesses such as restaurants, bars and other establishments that cater to crowds where smokers frequent. Restaurant managers have even commented that new ordinances bring about favorable responses from their patrons, but at the end of the day, smokers no longer come in early for a drink, nor do they stay late afterwards to visit. Not only are the restaurants losing revenue, they are losing it in a segment where they realize their strongest profit margins, liquor sales. Smoking bans hurt their businesses in more ways than one.

Bars, whether in restaurants or separate, are dependent on smokers, said Bob Sambol, whose bar business has dropped 20 percent at Bob's Steak & Chop House in Dallas. Although his customers have voiced more praise than complaint about the ban, his dining revenue also has dipped 10 percent, he said. "Smokers are not coming early to have a drink or staying at all after dinner," Mr. Sambol said. "I don't know what's going to happen. It's aggravating." http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_2n...asSmokeLaw.html

Another big concern is, “where are those patrons going?”. In a metroplex area such as ours, customers have plenty of options that cross over city limits. With fast growing cities surrounding Fort Worth like Burleson, Keller, NRH, Hurst and Lake Worth, a smokng ban ordinance will effectively be pushing revenue right out of the city. Dallas has already experienced this even though they are reluctant to admit it. Arlington has successfully run customers from Arlington businesses to neighboring Mansfield with similar ordinances.

Smokers who used to cap their workday with a beer and cigarette on the sidewalk patio at Kelly's are now "just going someplace else," owner Tim Kelly said. Sales are off by as much as $900 on some weeknights, he said. But a block away at Two Brothers Cigars, sales are up at least 20 percent since the ordinance made its debut. The tobacco store and lounge is one of the few places in Plano where smokers can still light up with impunity. In the case of Kelly's and Two Brothers, tighter smoking regulations are having opposite effects on businesses just one block apart.

But he(Gene Street) said his Southlake restaurant (Snookies) is reeling from that city's two-month-old smoking ordinance. Sales plummeted by 80 percent in June as smokers fled to neighboring Grapevine, Keller and Bedford. "Southlake hurt a lot," Mr. Street said. "We're on the verge of closing that store." http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...an.2b9c9be.html

“…you can drive five minutes and the laws change," said Jamee Green, executive director of the Greater Dallas Restaurant Association. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n1.42caf7d.html

If this ordinance is passed, many Fort Worth businesses will suffer, some will close. Their employees will wind up looking for new work. Those people will then be spending more outside of Fort Worth too. The overall economic impact to the city of Fort Worth would be significant. Voting a stricter smoking ordinance is a bad decision, based on flawed logic.

3rd Issue
Options Available to Businesses:

If it was possible to improve the bottom line of a restaurant or bar by prohibiting smoking, believe me when I tell you, managers and owners would have done it years ago. Instead what they have done is invested in many thousands of dollars worth of equipment and remodeling in an attempt to please as many customers as possible. Some of these changes have been brought about by city ordinance, some were designed up front in the initial plans. Regardless of the motivation, they are all good things because they seek to maximize traffic for the business. Furthermore they have been successful. People will not frequent an establishment if they do not like a particular layout or a poor ventilation system. The customer has many choices and the bar manager is all too well aware of that fact.

There are so many options available to the restaurateur and the bar owner to create a clean enjoyable environment for his customer, smoke handlers, ventilation systems, interior design, and outdoor patios. These businesses have spent a lot of money in these areas to please and to draw in as many patrons to their establishments as possible. It seems impractical, almost shameful, to effectively negate these investments made to address the smoking issue by voting in a new stricter ordinance. Has the city considered the legal contingencies and the cost of defending itself should restaurants and bar owners file lawsuits? If a business has spent thousands of dollars conforming to certain health standards, then suddenly those rules no longer apply, then I think those businesses may have a significant cause of action against the city. Furthermore, any new entrants into the industry would have a distinct advantage. Is the city prepared to try and level that playing field? Would they consider any kind of remediation for obsolete equipment costs and other expenses for a compliance issue that suddenly no longer existed? A more restrictive ordinance would render all those expenses worthless long before those businesses have had time to see a return on their investments. Could the city then be held liable for that? One wonders. Are you prepared to pay to defend it if it does?

The decision of how to handle smoking and non-smoking sections in public place belongs to the owners and managers of those businesses. They are the ones making the investments. They are the ones taking the risks. They are entitled to some say in how their businesses are run.

Last Issue
Political / Governmental Issues:

Implementing a Smoking Ban ordinance seems to be a quick way to garner a lot of attention, both good and bad. Unfortunately it seems many municipalities and other government bodies, make these decisions for all the wrong reasons. This is not a health issue. It might be comfort issue, but it is not a health issue.

Furthermore, it sets a bad precedent for the next moral bandwagon that comes along. What’s next? MP3 players? Research shows loud music is bad for people’s hearing, especially children. Are we going to outlaw MP3 players and car stereos? It’s annoying to me when kids in a restaurant play their headphones too loud or when a car goes down the road playing loud music, does that mean we are going outlaw it? Of course not! This proposed smoking ordinance is equally absurd.

C.S. Lewis once wrote,
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

And it is true. Don’t pass this ordinance and call it a victory for health advocates. I should not have to have your permission to enjoy a legal product in a public place within the city of Fort Worth. Don’t pass this ordinance and tell me everyone can be more comfortable. Let the entrepreneurs take care of that. And don’t pass a smoking ban for the sake of good press. That just cheapens the appearance of city government and diminishes the credibility of the whole process of city management. Decisions made for political reasons over economic reasoning is pure foolishness.

I believe the motivation behind this proposed Smoking Ban ordinance is based more on hype and hysteria than it is based on truth and common sense. Seriously, how many smoky dingy restaurants are there in the city? Not many. Customers have voted with their dollars, and most of them are gone now. In light of all the building Fort Worth is doing in preparation for our future growth as well as upcoming SuperBowl XLV, the convention center, the additional parking, the additional hotel space and all these other efforts aimed to wrest away some of the biggest draws and attractions from Dallas, smoking restrictions will no doubt continue to be a consideration. Don’t mess up that option the way Dallas did. It didn’t work in Dallas. It didn’t work in Arlington. And it won’t work here. The only thing it does do well is drive business away to somewhere outside the city limits. I believe that is counter productive to the desires and goals that Fort Worth’s leaders have set for themselves and for our city.

I have attempted to attach files containing information to support virtually everything I have presented here. Please study this material. Do you own research. But most of all, keep an open mind and consider all the ramifications of what you are proposing.

Thank you for your time.

Gary
 
Gary,
That was almost Wilkey-esque in its beauty!! Friggin awesome!

With your permission, I'd like to quote that email from time to time in the future.

Damn good read!
Darren
 
Well thought out response, think i'll use it to send to Gov. Blago here in illinois. Thanks! :thumbs:
 
I liked your letter. I just wonder if the elected officials you sent it to would even bother to read the entire letter or check out the links you provided :angry: ???
 
Goodness gracious! That was is a work of art. Just exceptionally well written and researched. Well done!

I've thus far signed petitions at the local B&Ms but will have to take it up a notch and your letter is just the thing.

Thank you for all the hard work!

Wilkey
 
Goodness gracious! That was is a work of art. Just exceptionally well written and researched. Well done!

I've thus far signed petitions at the local B&Ms but will have to take it up a notch and your letter is just the thing.

Thank you for all the hard work!

Wilkey

I guess high school english paid off huh??

:cool:

Seriously, the reason I posted all this was in hopes that someone else could put it to good use and maybe it would save them some time. Easy enough to rearrange and tailor the info to many situations. Plus I'm sure there is so much more data out there.

This smoking ban idea has gained so much momentum lately and at all levels. The state of Texas considered a statewide ban last session. It never got out of committee but the topic was out there being seriously considered. It was very real. This is a battle that has to be fought at every turn.

Feel free to use anything here. That's what I put it there for.
 
Well last Tuesday just turned into a debate time. The council will vote on it this coming week or the next. The outlook is not good.

I guess that means it's time for another letter.

Edited to add:
Feel free to write your own letter to our council members. They can be found here...

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Dear Mr. Mayor,

I am writing to request that you do not support any kind of new smoking ordinance which further restricts businesses within the city of Fort Worth. The current smoking guidelines enforced by the city are both adequate and effective. There is no real benefit to be gained by placing more burdensome and additional limitations on businesses which have already spent a great deal of time and money complying with the existing ordinance.

After reading the newspaper reports of the smoking ban debate, I am convinced this proposal is bad for Fort Worth. The local restaurateurs know it is a bad idea even though they are advocating the ban. How is that exactly? Restaurant owners are pleading with the council to NOT allow exemptions for bars. Why?? Because they know it will hurt their business especially their bar business which accounts for a large part of their bottom line. Any ordinance passed by the city that tips the balance of competition in this manner is a bad decision for the city and is surely short sighted. Read the recent story about what has happened in Plano and Southlake (see link below). Customers have moved down the street leaving some establishments with barely enough traffic to stay alive.

Furthermore, a recent poll making the news and being presented to the city council is a complete joke. The representative population of the survey is very small (less than .046%) and it was promoted by a “Smoking Ban” advocacy group. How credible is that?? How about polling some employees out there that stand to lose tips or a couple of night’s work if this ordinance is passed. Or maybe talk to some business owners that might lose their livelihood. Yes, there are establishments in this city that will go out of business because they cannot afford to move to a stand alone building or will lose a favorable location if they do so. You have no right to destroy these businesses with what is essentially the stroke of a pen. In fact, you are duty bound to promote commerce in this city. You should be protecting these establishments instead of trying to tear them down.

Our city council was not elected to vote on moral issues and that is what this has turned into. It is not your place to try and force your citizens to stop smoking by making it as impractical as possible. It is not your place to be the moral compass for Fort Worth. It is about freedom however. Under the current city guidelines, both sides of this issue have options. We are free to smoke or not to smoke. We are free to go where smoking is allowed or patronize establishments with favorable smoke free areas. We all have choices. What is currently being proposed is essentially the advocacy of one freedom at the complete detriment of another.

How do you really justify that?

I am not a cigarette smoker yet I am as likely to sit in a smoking section or the bar area of most any restaurant. Why?? Because very few people in there are actually smoking. And the small amount of smoke that is in there is handled quite well by the ventilation equipment…the “city mandated” ventilation equipment I might add.

Smoky restaurants are not the problem here. A moral agenda to rob smokers of their freedom is what is really happening and it is wrong! It is bad for business. It’s bad for Fort Worth and if passed, sets a bad precedent.

Thank you for your time.

Gary

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...an.2b9c9be.html
 
Well chip away another little chunk of liberty. The new smoking ordinance in Fort Worth passed. They did allow exemptions for Bars, Tobacco stores and few others (including Bingo Parlors ??!!??) but Smoking is now prohibited in restaurants etc. A shallow victory to be sure, if you really want to call it that. I'm sure somewhere down the road, they'll move to do away with the exemptions.

One of my favorite places that will no doubt be hurt by this is Pop's Safari. He has a very nice cigar shop along with an outstanding wine cellar. Problem for him is he also runs an upscale dining room in the back. He has a niche crowd and this ordinance will force him to make some hard decisions.

The lesson to be learned here is that if it hasn't happened already, you can bet your sweet ass the Smoking Ban Zealots will be coming soon to a neighborhood near you. Fight them with all you got or you may lose it all.

Here are a couple of links...

Related News Story

Pop's Safari

Bummed out sonuvabum

:(
 
Well chip away another little chunk of liberty. The new smoking ordinance in Fort Worth passed. They did allow exemptions for Bars, Tobacco stores and few others (including Bingo Parlors ??!!??) but Smoking is now prohibited in restaurants etc. A shallow victory to be sure, if you really want to call it that. I'm sure somewhere down the road, they'll move to do away with the exemptions.

One of my favorite places that will no doubt be hurt by this is Pop's Safari. He has a very nice cigar shop along with an outstanding wine cellar. Problem for him is he also runs an upscale dining room in the back. He has a niche crowd and this ordinance will force him to make some hard decisions.

The lesson to be learned here is that if it hasn't happened already, you can bet your sweet ass the Smoking Ban Zealots will be coming soon to a neighborhood near you. Fight them with all you got or you may lose it all.

Here are a couple of links...

Related News Story

Pop's Safari

Bummed out sonuvabum

:(

Sorry to hear it brother, but I'm not surprised. Land of the Free my ass.
 
damn....this really sucks...i sent out a couple of letters to a couple council members but got nothing back....i'm not even a citizen of Fort Worth and this sucks....there is no where to go smoke in crowley so i go to fort worth....
 
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