Not Funny. Not funny at all.

[Napa_Smokes]

I am not real sure where to start here. The Newbie bombs are supposed to be done out of respect. They are to be sent to FOG's or established members who contribute a great deal to this board. We as newbs do not personally know a lot of these members and therefore our bombs should be done with the utmost respect. What MandiPi did was inexcusable. That was just plain tasteless and disrespectful.

B.B.S. I am sorry you or any member here has been the target of such a prank and am glad you brought this out into the public.

To the other newbs. Do some research, have a little class and if you are going to bomb do it for the right reason or not a all. Jokes and being light hearted is great, but please remember we are the ones who need to establish ourselves, not the people we are bombing. Give them the respect they deserve for all there contributions to this board.

If it is possible that your joke/prank might be taken the wrong way, be found offensive or otherwise tasteless DON'T DO IT!!!

Just my .02

Josh

Okay, I'm a stupid newbie, and I'm probably headed to most of your ignore lists as well, but I believe what I believe so here goes.

I don't know what the intent was, and I'm sure it was an attempt at humor. Obviously it offended you BBS, and you have your reasons I guess. I think it may have been bad judgement on his part, or something that maybe he considered funny. This has happened several times recently, and you guys are ready to burn at the stake anyone who makes a mistake. No chance to explain? No "hey I f'd up"? No shot at redemption? Just brand them all with the scarlett letter, and run them off?

We are called newbies for a reason. We don't know. We are going to make mistakes. We hope for some guidance and leadership from those of you that have been here. We read and read, and we see some FOG's post lyrics, and jokes, and comments telling how stupid we are, and how we don't measure up, and on and on. We try to give a little back now, and hopefully a lot more later as we move up in stature. Then we make a mistake, and we're out. Burned at the stake, banned for life, ignored, treated like we are the plague.

I have nothing but respect for those of you that have built this community, and allowed me to be a part of it. I'm a participant in the newbie war, and I'm getting ready to send out a package to someone I think is an amazing BOTL. But I'm getting scared to make a wrong step. I was going to throw in a few items I think will make my package fun and lightheart, but I'm rethinking that as I type this. I like to poke funny jabs at people, and make smart a$$ comments. That's who I am, but I'm not sure I want to anymore. I don't want to offend any of you. I like most all of you.

I guess what I'm saying is, I will never intentionally insult any of you, but if I do I don't want to be shunned because of it. I'm just asking those of you that are here, and respected to please, please give us a chance to redeem ourselves if we screw up. Some of us just don't know sometimes.

 

[Keystone_Raider]

Wow.

That's just wrong, totally out of line and childish.

IMHO

 

[SamClemmons]

Obviously it offended you BBS, and you have your reasons I guess.

One thought; had my wife opened the package, she may not have found the humor in it.

B.B.S.

I wasn't saying you shouldn't have been offended. I'm sure you have your reasons, and your reasons are all you need. I'm just saying, it feels like we/I/us are not allowed to make mistakes. I know that at some point I will step in it, then shove my foot deep down my throat. I probably just did. I just don't want to constantly feel like we/I/us have to be on pins and needles to not make a mistake. I'm just asking for a little leniency, and shot at second chance.

I hope you will give MandyPi, at the least, a chance to apologize and explain. However, it's ultimately your decision, and I respect it no matter what it is.

So you're thinking that you should jump in and defend someone who is taking heat for doing something stupid? Maybe you'd like things to change around here to suit you better?
Here's an idea, don't do stupid shit and don't defend someone who has done stupid shit and you should be okay.

NA

 

[BigJake6904]

As distastefull as it was, I know where he got the impression it was alright. I wish some would have looked into it a bit deeper, and I wish Madi would realize it's not acceptable.

However, I can't help but feel some of the things bsneed said are spot on. Expecially about the part of helping some of those learn it was distasteful. I will prove my point.

In the pm sent for the newbie war it states something along the lines of:
You may throw something in like ponds or other feminine product as a practical joke.

I think this may have been taken to an extreme, but he probably thought it in funny taste as it was perceived from the instructions he as a newb was sent. Something that wasnt meant to go that far, but then again, how does he know!?

I hope someone contacted him so he can explain himself, however, i don't feel (if it was part of the war, which it undoubtedly was) that he should be outed in such a manner, without the underlying reason being exposed.

Just as is done with vendors, an attempt to contact him and resolve the issue and provide guidance, i feel, should have been done prior to outing him. This is because I have a strong feeling, seeing some of the things that FOG's haven't, it was taken out of perspective.

Just my .02


Edit: spelling

 

[tsmckenney]

Seriously. Are we in study hall? A tampon? For Chrissakes, most of us are married with children. Tasteless, and dumb. Real, real dumb.

 

[Bsneed51]

BigJake
You said what I was thinking better than I did. Your post is what I was trying to convey, I just didn't do it very well.

 

[BigJake6904]

Let it be known that I don't support his behavior, but I want it to be known that I don't support calling him out like this in this manner. For a community that is so close, I would have assumed the issue would have been looked into deeper than the surface, and someone that may actually KNOW or have an inclination as to why this was done would have been contacted that could provide a better explanation that those that aren't "in the know" at all.

Obviously anyone can tell it was MEANT as a joke, because it was a bomb. And someone should have PRIVATELY let him know, and the leaders of the war know how distasteful it was.

I know that my opinion carries no weight, but yes, regardless of what anyone may say, there is a better way to approach the situation. I'm actually disappointed that certain measures weren't taken in this instance, as they are with everything else.

 

[Napa_Smokes]

I have gotten a few of those messages about bombing as well. Mine always read something along the lines of Depends or Ensure. Nothing about Tampons. Tasteless is tasteless, and we all are old enough to make the decisions on our own as to what that is.

Making a mistake is one thing Vulgar and Offensive is a different story.

As a newb if this had happened to me I would probably not stay on this board as it is way out of line and very disrespectful.

 

[BigJake6904]

I have gotten a few of those messages about bombing as well. Mine always read something along the lines of Depends or Ensure. Nothing about Tampons. Tasteless is tasteless, and we all are old enough to make the decisions on our own as to what that is.

Making a mistake is one thing Vulgar and Offensive is a different story.

As a newb if this had happened to me I would probably not stay on this board as it is way out of line and very disrespectful.

As I said, it was taken out of context and should have been discussed or corrected privately, or an anonymous post in the FOG war thread as to it being unacceptable. He took something that was said to the extreme, but had that not been in the pm, i guarantee the tampon wouldnt have been in the box.

 

[SamClemmons]

I have gotten a few of those messages about bombing as well. Mine always read something along the lines of Depends or Ensure. Nothing about Tampons. Tasteless is tasteless, and we all are old enough to make the decisions on our own as to what that is.

Making a mistake is one thing Vulgar and Offensive is a different story.

As a newb if this had happened to me I would probably not stay on this board as it is way out of line and very disrespectful.

As I said, it was taken out of context and should have been discussed or corrected privately, or an anonymous post in the FOG war thread as to it being unacceptable. He took something that was said to the extreme, but had that not been in the pm, i guarantee the tampon wouldnt have been in the box.

Yeah. Keep it quiet. Don't let anyone know what happened. Don't let the new guys learn from it. Set it all up so it can happen again. Brilliant!

NA

 

[BigJake6904]

Outing someone is not a tool for learning, it is a tool for getting rid of someone. You could have kept his NAME quiet.

He is new, he needs to learn. Calling him out specifically, instead of making a general post in the war thread (as i just did) IMO, is just as distasteful.


Edit to add.

 

[SamClemmons]

Outing someone is not a tool for learning, it is a tool for getting rid of someone. You could have kept his NAME quiet.

He is new, he needs to learn. Calling him out specifically, instead of making a general post in the war thread (as i just did) IMO, is just as distasteful.


Edit to add.

No. It's not.

NA

 

[BigJake6904]

The way this one is going, with EVERYONE turning on him (as BBS said was not necessary in his initial post) well yes, yes it is.

 

[BlindedByScience]

Outing someone is not a tool for learning, it is a tool for getting rid of someone. You could have kept his NAME quiet.

He is new, he needs to learn. Calling him out specifically, instead of making a general post in the war thread (as i just did) IMO, is just as distasteful.

No one is asking anyone to leave. My psychic abilities are a little off tonight and I had no idea what the intent of this admittedly crude stunt was.

If you think this thread was distasteful, you would really be offended at what I'd have said if my wife opened the box and found what was inside. I can promise that would have been offensive and genuinely distasteful.

I think we can call this a "lesson learned" and let this die. I made my point, and hopefully a few folks have learned something.

Move along, folks.....nothing more to see here.....B.B.S.

 

[Jonesy]

As classless as sending a tampon to Tom is, the situation may have been lightened up a tad if there was at least a note in the package stating something along the lines of "B.B.S., you were targeted by the newbs because we feel you're an upstanding Brother in the community. I hope the tampon wasn't over the line, but was a simple attempt at some humor." I'm certainly not saying that would have made it right, but at least he would have known it was a feeble attempt at humor. To me, one of the most important aspects of a bomb I send out is the handwritten note that accompanies each one along with the research I put into finding something he will enjoy and won't sit it in the humi that never gets opened. There is a thing called quality over quantity and most guys would favor receiving one good cigar with a little note than five randoms that have just been thrown in a box and sent out. JMHO though

 

[BigJake6904]

I agree, a note should have been included, if not at least an explanation sent. Reason being FOG's and other commendable members being "Newbie Bombed" had/ have no idea about the pm's received and what they contained.

 

[drew_goring]

I have gotten a few of those messages about bombing as well. Mine always read something along the lines of Depends or Ensure. Nothing about Tampons. Tasteless is tasteless, and we all are old enough to make the decisions on our own as to what that is.

Making a mistake is one thing Vulgar and Offensive is a different story.

As a newb if this had happened to me I would probably not stay on this board as it is way out of line and very disrespectful.

As I said, it was taken out of context and should have been discussed or corrected privately, or an anonymous post in the FOG war thread as to it being unacceptable. He took something that was said to the extreme, but had that not been in the pm, i guarantee the tampon wouldnt have been in the box.

Yeah. Keep it quiet. Don't let anyone know what happened. Don't let the new guys learn from it. Set it all up so it can happen again. Brilliant!

NA

My does that sound familiar but I just can't place it. :sign:

 

[Rod]

This sounds like a childish prank, something that would occur in Jr High.

Let me make something clear. Those who have been members of CP for several years are referred to as "FOG's". New members (aka: newbies) are just that, new members. They're not infants, they are adults, just like "FOG's". Saying someone is a newbie and they don't know right from wrong (ie: common sense) is inexcusable. Think about it... Let's not confuse newbies with an immature little child. We're all adults, let's act like it. If you truly believe that newbies really don't know any better, then not only are you wrong, you're insulting all new members.

I'm not sure what exactly is going on with the "newbie/fog war" this year, but it sounds like something is awry...

 

[Double D]

it was tasteless for sure and would have pissed me off as well. As for calling folks out it has worked here very well what if we did not call out folks who did not hold up their end in a trade? or someone who had sent dog rockets ina buy should we protect them or inform the community.

I think there is a bit of a generation gap on this board as well we have a broad mix of ages here and i personally think it is cool. But when you get that kind of mix things like taste in humor change for example i did not grow up watching southpark and dont aalways find that kind of humor funny.

But if notes were sent out saying add femine products it could have been misunderstood by that person. I have never been a big fan of the bombing wars but i do think mandi should explain himself because a lot of folks here do like them and it kind of put a bad taste on someyhing many enjoy.

Just my .02
dale

 

[BigJake6904]

The feminine products were mentioned and not a requirement, just a "jokeful" kind of thing not meant for harm, but obviously caused some.

None of my bombs in the war contained them, but I guess some may have taken it to heart, literally.

After this thread and the other, it seems "surprise" gifts not relating to the board (stogies, pipes and beverages) should be left out, unless of course, you know that person.



I just wanted to fill everyone in on why I think it happened, not to cause a further quarrel and certainly not to dive head first into something that only includes me mildly.