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New laws affecting cigar purchases in Ont. Canada

TonyG

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I was told by a local cigar retailer that in a few short weeks (May) that walk in customers will no longer be able to access his humidor. It seems that our local Provincial goverment (similar to the State level of government in the USA) has decreed that citizens of Ontario will no longer be able to enter walk in humidors for the purpose of purchasing cigars. If I want to buy a cigar, I must give my order to a clerk, who will then walk into the humidor and bring my selection to me. I cannot look at the cigar prior to sale and cannot even touch the cigar prior to sale. Imagine that! "Hey buddy, here's a C note, grab me a good Cohiba will ya? And be sure it is a nice one..."

One of the things that I enjoy most is to be able to savor the aroma of fine cigars for a moment while I browse through the large selection before deciding on what I want to take home.
 
That is unbelievable.....who the hell do they think they are, what gives them the right....i rarely know what i am going into the humi for, walking around in there and taking my time to pick out what i want to bring home, is half the enjoyment of this fine hobby. I would be pissed if NY did this.
 
After the last time I was in Canada in a cigar store, there's no way in hell I'd buy sticks there if this is true. Half of the sticks had mold on them. And they want me to pay 30 bucks each for a moldy stick? Yeah right. I'll take my business elsewhere I guess.
 
Don't worry! We'll save you...soon...

-Texas

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Ontario has taken a more aggressive stance with regard to anti smoking laws. In Ontario, no one can smoke in a bar, or any restaraunt, or public building. Soon, there will be legislation that will ban smoking in cars when children are present. Some of the laws makes good sense as in the case of children being present. Bar owners have taken a certain hit but in fairness, seem none the worse for wear once the dust settled.

The thrust of the legislation is provide incentives (or barriers if incentives don't work) to quit smoking. And while no one believes for a second that lung cancer rates will drop phenominally, no doubt there is an inherent benefit in that respect as well.

Never-the-less, it appears to be the new order of things to come.

Bimmer: Hate to hear your experience up here was that bad. I can tell you my experience here has been consistently different. Unfortunately, like any other industry, there is going to be some gravel among the diamonds. My local cigar retailer is knowledgeable and takes an active interest in the tastes of his customers.
And yes, the cost of cigars is high, thanks to the amount of duty and taxes charged by the government. It is cheaper to buy in the USA and have it shipped to Canada than to buy retail here, as long as the package is labelled as a "gift" - gifts are tax and duty exempt. :)
 
Lo and behold ....

In todays Toronto Star.

From The Torontostar said:
Cigarette display ban to go ahead despite uproar

Apr 20, 2008 02:33 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS

Ontario smokers will soon have to thumb through a binder to pick the brand of their choice at convenience stores as the province ushers in a ban on cigarette displays which the government says is necessary to save lives despite growing concern among store owners.

While Ontario's 10,000 convenience stores say half of them won't be ready to hide all their smokes by the province's May 31 deadline, Premier Dalton McGuinty said businesses have had years to comply with new rules which he said will making smoking less of a temptation for kids.

"This is a health issue," McGuinty said.

"Don't we have to put health first? You ask any parents – smokers and non-smokers alike – 'Do you want your kids to start smoking?' They'll all give you the same answer, 'Of course I don't.'

"Science has demonstrated that these power walls are effective at enticing kids so we want to get beyond that."

The new ban prevents all tobacco products from being displayed in any way and prohibits customers from even touching them before they're paid for. The province says store owners have to make sure tobacco products aren't displayed to any potential customer at any time, including during restocking or inventory checks.

Store owners can't put cigarettes behind "garage-style" or cupboard doors that open to display the entire inventory. Curtains or blinds are also not acceptable. The province suggests overhead containers or below-the-counter drawers that are only visible behind the counter.

It's time convenience stores stopped selling cigarettes right beside "Twizzlers and hockey cards," said Minister of Health Promotion Margarett Best.

"The industry knew this was coming for over three years," Best said in the legislature recently. "We are working with our partners to ensure a smooth transition."

But many say the switch is going to be anything but smooth. While Best said enforcement officers have visited over 5,000 Ontario stores to prepare them for the new law, many say store owners need more time and government support.

Although the display ban was passed under the Smoke-Free Ontario Act two years ago, store owners didn't get the specific requirements until the end of January.

The Ontario Convenience Stores Association says it's going to cost many retailers up to $2,500 to build new storage units and dismantle the so-called "power walls."

Quebec's display ban also comes into effect at the end of May, so the limited number of companies that make the required storage units are already backed up, association president Dave Bryans said.

All tobacco products will be covered up in some way by May 31, using shower curtains if necessary, said Bryans. But that won't be enough to protect store owners from over-zealous tobacco enforcement officers, he added.

"We're not here to argue about it," said Bryans, adding store owners have given up fighting the merits of the ban itself. "Time has just run out."

The tobacco ban is a double whammy for store owners who are already losing a quarter of their cigarette sales to smuggled smokes, Bryans said. Instead of chasing down errant store owners who are covering up their power walls with a towel, Bryans said the province should channel that energy into stopping illegal cigarette smuggling.

"Convenience stores won't go out of business because they've covered the tobacco walls," Bryans said. "They'll go out of business because our regular customers are getting product 10 times cheaper than we can sell it to them so they're not buying gum, chips, pop or lottery tickets."

Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory said the Liberal government is showing it's completely insensitive to the plight of small-business owners while it ignores the growing illegal cigarette trade.

It's time the Liberals gave store owners some flexibility on the May 31 deadline and turned their attention to stopping the flow of illegal smokes, he said.

"They don't realize that these kinds of convenience stores provide an awful lot of jobs for an awful lot of people," Tory said.

New Democrat Cheri DiNovo said the display ban on tobacco products should have been brought in a long time ago. But she said it's wrong to rush it through now without any support for retailers.

The province could replace tobacco advertising with some healthy advertising of its own and boost the commission store owners get from lottery tickets to make them less dependent on tobacco sales, DiNovo said.

"The government can't just leave them out to dry," she said. ``You can't just do it on the backs of retailers. You've got to help them out."
 
Don't worry! We'll save you...soon...

-Texas

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Texas to the RESCUE again! :laugh:

I think it's part of their socialized healthcare life management program. Get used to it America.

They can have my cigars when they pry them from my cold dead hand!!!! :0
 
Sheesh. Is this what the world is coming to? How about they come over and wipe my butt for me too to help prevent the transmission of fecal bacteria to my taco hand?

Wilkey
 
Sheesh. Is this what the world is coming to? How about they come over and wipe my butt for me too to help prevent the transmission of fecal bacteria to my taco hand?

Wilkey
Yes, it is. It's on the horizon here in the U.S. It may not come in 5 years or even 10, but it's coming. The effort to eliminate risk from Western Society has been happening for years, and it will continue as long as citizens allow it to continue. The most popular method for eliminating that risk has been to further reduce liberty.

But then again, that's just "hysterical" and "chicken little" talk to a lot of people.
 
Maybe they can make the humidor private & closed off, but you can buy a tour for $1? Oh, and you get a dollar off any purchase of tobacco products... :D
 
Hmm...

Politicians introducing unneeded legislation to make it seem like they are doing something so that they can get re-elected

plus

nanny government laws...

great! :angry: :rolleyes:
 
Ontario smokers will soon have to thumb through a binder to pick the brand of their choice.
Whats the difference between the B&M and a online retailer at this point, the lack of taxes is all I can think of. I would hate for this to happen in NY, when I go to the shop I like to look around that's the fun part. Its not like taxes kill these business owners enuf.
 
sucks cause i plan to be in toronto from the 23-26 and the store will probably be all cleaned up for the law by the time i get there. i wanted to visit a store that had isoms just so i could get a smell off of them.
guess thats out of the question
 
Sheesh. Is this what the world is coming to? How about they come over and wipe my butt for me too to help prevent the transmission of fecal bacteria to my taco hand?

Wilkey
Yes, it is. It's on the horizon here in the U.S. It may not come in 5 years or even 10, but it's coming. The effort to eliminate risk from Western Society has been happening for years, and it will continue as long as citizens allow it to continue. The most popular method for eliminating that risk has been to further reduce liberty.

But then again, that's just "hysterical" and "chicken little" talk to a lot of people.

I know what you mean Alan - I get chastized almost every time I make the point. We can't talk politics on here but we should really watch who we vote for this year. Sarkozy is ridding the French state of many of their Nanny Laws and some of my cousins are bit*hin up a storm but my one cousin has found a niche where there used to be Government and now has a nice business. Capitalism AND Liberty - what a concept!
 
Sheesh. Is this what the world is coming to? How about they come over and wipe my butt for me too to help prevent the transmission of fecal bacteria to my taco hand?

Wilkey
Yes, it is. It's on the horizon here in the U.S. It may not come in 5 years or even 10, but it's coming. The effort to eliminate risk from Western Society has been happening for years, and it will continue as long as citizens allow it to continue. The most popular method for eliminating that risk has been to further reduce liberty.

But then again, that's just "hysterical" and "chicken little" talk to a lot of people.

Lol..........nice reference :laugh:
 
Sheesh. Is this what the world is coming to? How about they come over and wipe my butt for me too to help prevent the transmission of fecal bacteria to my taco hand?

Wilkey
Yes, it is. It's on the horizon here in the U.S. It may not come in 5 years or even 10, but it's coming. The effort to eliminate risk from Western Society has been happening for years, and it will continue as long as citizens allow it to continue. The most popular method for eliminating that risk has been to further reduce liberty.

But then again, that's just "hysterical" and "chicken little" talk to a lot of people.

Lol..........nice reference :laugh:
I thought you'd get a kick out of that. :)

I hope I'm not correct in my thinking to some degree. It sure would be nice if things didn't get any worse.

I also don't really see this as "political" per se. In my eyes its more of a cultural issue than anything else. I know it's all intertwined and all that, but realistically the nonsense is flying from all over the political spectrum. That's why I vote candidates instead of party.

And that's as political as I will get.
 
I also don't really see this as "political" per se. In my eyes its more of a cultural issue than anything else.
I'd argue that it's even broader than that. The fact that it's hitting countries around the world and taking hold in diverse cultures suggests that it's emblematic of the zeitgeist here in the early 20th century. In other words, it's a sign of the times in North America as well as Europe.

Wilkey
 
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