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An Apology

KayakinBoy

KayakinBoy

I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
Joined
Oct 21, 2004
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Location
Rocky Top, TN
I've noticed people that I've done trades with have felt I've done them wrong. I didn't know about this, and I want to clear the air. I think some of the FOGS and other members know that me being here is serious, and I'm not a scammer. I just want to clear the air and fix everything.

Memebers in the past have fought about this. I'm not. I'm taking my lumps and fixing my errors. I'm requesting that any disgruntled members post their
unhappiness about your previous dealings, or you can PM. I will follow them up, and make them right.

Hoping I can fix my problems,
KB
 
John,

What's done is done. In my opinion you cannot go "back" and fix mistakes that have already been made (although a nice gesture). There is a page 3 pages long already where people have voiced the problems they have had in dealing with you (mainly taking way too long to complete your obligations).

I for one, will not trade with you, buy from you, or participate in anything you organize. History says that I will probably have to wait way too long for you to take of business. You tried to organize a group buy:

http://www.cigarpass.com/forumsipb/index.php?showtopic=12952

What happened with that? You had interest, took way too long to get it going and prices went up. Despite people suggesting other places to buy, it never happened.

Other people have arranged buys, and you come in a month later, wondering how you can get in on it - after it is already done.

Personally, I don't think you are responsible enough at this point to trade with people on this board. Despite the fact that you seem to take care of your obligations at CF. ??? Why is that?

You took over a month and a half to send me your end of a trade. First, you said you had the cigars laid out, forgot what they were for and put them back in your humidor. Then, after I PMd you, you said you must have sent them to the wrong person and couldn't find the DC#. This indicates to me that you do not care.

Sure mistakes happen, but it seems you have a bit of a history here of doing this. I guess people thought they were the only one this happened to and kept quiet. Now, another public post, and there seem to be quite a few people this has happened to with you.

Those are my feelings in a nutshell.
 
wasch_24 said:
Lay off the POT
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Todd's first post in two years!!!! Holy crap!!!

Where the hell have you been??? I was beginning to think I was going to take the Gordon ripping all by my lonesome!!! Welcome back!!!
 
Jingles,
You weren't in on the group buy. the dvd prices went back up the next day, and the place I found for 46 sold out. I woulda PM'ed you to tell you that, but you weren't in the group buy.

If you (or others here) don't want to trade with me, that's fine. Then don't. Free country.

*And if anyone feels I don't care about this site or some of the people on it, then that's your view too. I think there are atleast a few people that could argue that, but I don't want to start anything.

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Man, you don't get it. You don't have to be in on the group buy to have an opinion.

You may be hopeless. Never out of dodges, excuses, misdirections.

The point is not that you are dishonest. Only (para)God can see the heart. It is that you are unreliable either because you disrespect the ettiquette of the forum or you don't grasp it.
 
KayakinBoy said:
Jingles,
You weren't in on the group buy. the dvd prices went back up the next day, and the place I found for 46 sold out. I woulda PM'ed you to tell you that, but you weren't in the group buy.

If you (or others here) don't want to trade with me, that's fine. Then don't. Free country.

*And if anyone feels I don't care about this site or some of the people on it, then that's your view too. I think there are atleast a few people that could argue that, but I don't want to start anything.

*edited because hit enter to quickly
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It isnt the fact that we feel that you don't care about the community. It is your actions that speak volumes. You sir, just don't get it.

Emo
 
If you guys think that, then that's your thoughts. I can't change that. Thanks to the people PMing me with support.
 
Ya know. You don't have to be funny or smart or friendly or clever to get along at CP. You don't have to make friends, give cigars away, be nice or engaging here. The one thing that is absolutely required here is accountability. You either have it or you don't.

Asking people to pm you if you SCREWED them is just wrong headed. They've pretty much had their say, so go back in the threads, find the complaints and make 'em right. And don't gimme this "I'm gonna stay off the boards for a while" hooraw either. You pull that shizz and I'll land on you with both feet when you come back.
Time to stand up or walk away. Take yer pick.

NA
 
Well said Neal, and others....

KB, you're screwing yourself by the arrogant attitude! Let me break it down to ya in layman's terms...

You sent someone your end in a padded envelope? Send it again in a friggin FREE Priority box, whether they said to or not! Just fokking do it!!

You took too long to get your end out to several folks? Send them a couple of nice sticks and make the **** right!

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree, are ya? Step off the fokking attitude chump and get her done!

If you can't do that, carry your ass to CW and be done with it!

Lee
 
SamClemmons said:
Ya know. You don't have to be funny or smart or friendly or clever to get along at CP. You don't have to make friends, give cigars away, be nice or engaging here. The one thing that is absolutely required here is accountability. You either have it or you don't.

Asking people to pm you if you SCREWED them is just wrong headed. They've pretty much had their say, so go back in the threads, find the complaints and make 'em right. And don't gimme this "I'm gonna stay off the boards for a while" hooraw either. You pull that shizz and I'll land on you with both feet when you come back.
Time to stand up or walk away. Take yer pick.

NA
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I'm not leaving. I don't mean any attitude, and don't want it viewed that way. I'm making right on my wrongs.

Leebo8-9-8 said:
You're not the brightest bulb on the tree, are ya?
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Nope... but I'm trying to do better. I'll make right on my wrongs Lee.
 
SamClemmons said:
The one thing that is absolutely required here is accountability. You either have it or you don't.
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:thumbs:

MilesMingusMonk said:
Tape more, Type less. Numbnuts.
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Man of a few words ;)
 
KB..... I did a trade with you that you initiated after you read that I had something you wanted to try again. In good faith I sent out my package and told you in PM to send whatever you thought was fair. Granted it was not a "premium" trade, but a trade is a trade. It took over a month and 2 PMs. Then, for a person who has done so many trades and passes you package your cigars like ****, one of the sticks got ruined. I just couldn't be bothered with dealing with ya anymore.

Then I had to label all of your puts in George's pass, not that it is such a big deal to label a few cigars but I also had to put them on the spreadsheet that George made up. Then I noticed one of the cigars you were supposed to put in was missing. Yea, OK..... Eric had it, but quess what? It was still your "responsibility". George put alot of effort and expense into that pass and IMHO you just didn't give a **** about it. Eric didn't even have your back, he just skipped nine spaces on the spreadsheet and wrote his own in.

You have been around here long enough to understand that you fuçked up. I do not want anything else from you and I will never do another transaction with you. Did you notice I ignored a PM you sent me regarding another trade.

You have been around long enough to understand you have to take your lumps if you plan on sticking around... I don't think you should leave and I don't think anybody is suggesting that. If you think that Leebo is right about sending out "good faith" smokes then do it.

Just leave me off the list.....
 
BkCloud114 said:
Eric had it, but quess what? It was still your "responsibility". George put alot of effort and expense into that pass and IMHO you just didn't give a **** about it. Eric didn't even have your back, he just skipped nine spaces on the spreadsheet and wrote his own in.
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I'd really like to not be dragged into this. I think everybody is right to be pissed, but I'd like my name left out of it.



(Off-topic P.S.) Nobody has contacted me about that stick yet. If nobody wants it I'm just gonna mail it back to George
 
I agree w/ Eric. Guilt by association is not needed. KB used Eric as an excuse and it was wrong.
 
BkCloud114 said:
KB..... I did a trade with you that you initiated after you read that I had something you wanted to try again. In good faith I sent out my package and told you in PM to send whatever you thought was fair. Granted it was not a "premium" trade, but a trade is a trade. It took over a month and 2 PMs. Then, for a person who has done so many trades and passes you package your cigars like ****, one of the sticks got ruined. I just couldn't be bothered with dealing with ya anymore.
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You never gave me that indication at the time. And I don't remeber it being like that at all, but I guess I'm wrong.

And Eric's right, I don't exactly understand why he's being dragged into this. Please leave him out.
 
He was brought up b/c you used him as an excuse. Plain and simple.
 
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