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Global warming or?

GMCCCGUY

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I am sitting here in central NY in the middle of April looking out the window at snow. We have had some bizarre weather patterns this year, and I was just wondering what others thought. Is it "global warming" or what? I would say it could be, but there is still high and low temperature records from 100 years ago.
 
Yeh, the snow we had here in Michigan pretty much tells me that this global warming stuff is nothing but clap trap by people trying to win elections...
 
I've been freezing my ass off the past 2 weeks and haven't been able to crappie fish once.

Global warming my ass, how about warming the water so I can catch some damn fish.
 
I've been freezing my ass off the past 2 weeks and haven't been able to crappie fish once.

Global warming my ass, how about warming the water so I can catch some damn fish.
I hear ya My buddy and I went Bass fishing yesterday, didn't catch anything but a cold. No bass were spawning yet water temps in the mid 40's unheard of for mid April.
 
This weather just sucks - rain and 38* here in PGH - I haven't play golf in 2 weeks, and based on the forecast, it may be another 7 days before the sun will even shine. Global warming my ass.
 
I've been freezing my ass off the past 2 weeks and haven't been able to crappie fish once.

Global warming my ass, how about warming the water so I can catch some damn fish.
Now, if you were a trout fisherman, you wouldn't have that problem. :laugh:

Doc.
 
Global warming doesn't mean warm weather or warmer weather as you all indicate.

The worlds weather pattern is all fugged up or haven't you noticed. Ice caps are melting
some effecting whole towns/valleys, In Peru for example, there's a beautiful valley that
survives off the water that comes from the Glazier's in the mountains. The mountains were
always covered in snow, now they are half covered. People fear that soon they will not get
water anymore from the mountains. Conversely, extreme heat is being experienced in some
parts of the world were they are seeing drought for the first time and rivers and streams are
dry.

No, global warming means that ALL weather is totally messed up. Soon you will be crying for
cooler weather when this coming summer gives us some days of extreme heat.


</rant over> :laugh:

Brian
 
Global warming doesn't mean warm weather or warmer weather as you all indicate.

The worlds weather pattern is all fugged up or haven't you noticed. Ice caps are melting
some effecting whole towns/valleys, In Peru for example, there's a beautiful valley that
survives off the water that comes from the Glazier's in the mountains. The mountains were
always covered in snow, now they are half covered. People fear that soon they will not get
water anymore from the mountains. Conversely, extreme heat is being experienced in some
parts of the world were they are seeing drought for the first time and rivers and streams are
dry.

No, global warming means that ALL weather is totally messed up. Soon you will be crying for
cooler weather when this coming summer gives us some days of extreme heat.


</rant over> :laugh:

Brian

Claptrap I tell you, CLAPTRAP!!
 
As conservative politically as am, global warming is a serious problem and it's a shame that people just write it off as politics or a cycle. Everyone should be forced to watch 'An Inconvenient Truth,' it reveals that this "cycle" is about as 1000x as hot as any other cycle and it really adfecting the environment. If you want to believe that it's not there, it's your choice, but you're going to have to face it sooner or later.

Just my $.02, didn't mean to make it political.
 
Global warming doesn't mean warm weather or warmer weather as you all indicate.

The worlds weather pattern is all fugged up or haven't you noticed. Ice caps are melting
some effecting whole towns/valleys, In Peru for example, there's a beautiful valley that
survives off the water that comes from the Glazier's in the mountains. The mountains were
always covered in snow, now they are half covered. People fear that soon they will not get
water anymore from the mountains. Conversely, extreme heat is being experienced in some
parts of the world were they are seeing drought for the first time and rivers and streams are
dry.

No, global warming means that ALL weather is totally messed up. Soon you will be crying for
cooler weather when this coming summer gives us some days of extreme heat.


</rant over> :laugh:

Brian

Claptrap I tell you, CLAPTRAP!!

Who has the "Clap"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Brian
 
I think we should cut back our hobby because of the CO2 we produce. Hey Peat, any chance you could cut back to 5-6 a day? :sign:
 
Global warming doesn't mean warm weather or warmer weather as you all indicate.

The worlds weather pattern is all fugged up or haven't you noticed. Ice caps are melting
some effecting whole towns/valleys, In Peru for example, there's a beautiful valley that
survives off the water that comes from the Glazier's in the mountains. The mountains were
always covered in snow, now they are half covered. People fear that soon they will not get
water anymore from the mountains. Conversely, extreme heat is being experienced in some
parts of the world were they are seeing drought for the first time and rivers and streams are
dry.

No, global warming means that ALL weather is totally messed up. Soon you will be crying for
cooler weather when this coming summer gives us some days of extreme heat.


</rant over> :laugh:

Brian
I like your take on this Brian. These are the stories I have been following like the melting ice caps and glacier fed rivers drying up. Just because it is cooler than normal here on the east coast for spring does not mean the world climate is not going through serious changes.
 
The last 6...or is it 7... years are the warmest on record. I don't think there's much to debate any longer.

Just my .02 as well.
 
Yeh, the snow we had here in Michigan pretty much tells me that this global warming stuff is nothing but clap trap by people trying to win elections...

As a scientist, I have to say that this cold stuff can be a part of the global warning. Sometimes nature temporarily reacts in a counterintuitive way to forces which makes it so hard for us to figure out what exactly is happening. Climate change is one of those things that when we think it is going one way can really be going the other direction. :cool: My .02.
 
Nobody has any idea, it's all in where the data comes from, who's interpreting the data, and the criteria used to interpret it. 30 years ago we were all doomed because of the impending ice age. Some people are still holding to that by the way. For the record I'm not a proponent of either. Here's an interesting article I found from Aug, '03.

The Spectator said:
THE SPECTATOR

By the time The Spectator goes to press, the record for the highest-ever authenticated measurerement of air temperature in the British Isles may or may not have been broken. The only certainties are that the railway industry will have dreamed up yet more reasons why trains may only run at 20mph, that there will scarcely be a young, bikini-clad woman in Britain who remains unphotographed for the tabloids, and that spokesmen for the global warming lobby will have trousered a few more grand in television appearance fees.

Not even the nation's ice-cream-sellers can be whooping with joy so loudly as our climatologists. For every degree the mercury tips over 90[degrees]F, they can expect a few more million pounds in funding. There will be more invitations to No. 10, more OBEs and another round of conferences in exotic locations to enjoy long after the current heatwave has subsided and our weather returned to its normal miserable self.

That supposedly rational scientific theory on climate change is influenced by what the weather happens to be doing outside their labs is clear from the annals of scientific journals. As Andrew Kenny pointed out in these pages a year ago, the consensus of scientific opinion in the 1970s was that the world was headed for a new ice age. As late as 1975 the editor of New Scientist was warning that 'the threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind'. When the following summer turned out to be one of the hottest on record, sentiment suddenly changed and global warming took over as the great terror.


Do the temperatures in Britain over the past week at all justify the apocalyptic warnings of global warming? It depends, of course, how you wish to distort the data. True, a ridge of very hot air has swung up from the Continent and across Britain, raising the temperature to 92[degrees]F at Gatwick airport on Tuesday. Yet at Skegness on the same day it reached just 68[degrees]. As Conservative-supporting newspapers cannot resist gloating, the temperature has been higher in Bournemouth these past few days than in Barbados, where Tony Blair has taken his family on a freebie holiday courtesy of Cliff Richard. Turn the statistic around and it might equally be interpreted as a warning sign of global cooling: 'Fresh fears of ice age as August temperatures in Barbados fall below those of Bournemouth.'

If you want to construct a case for a new ice age, there is plenty more evidence. In Australia it has been a beastly winter, with some places seeing their first snowfall in decades. In Singapore at this time of year, temperatures are supposed to average 90[degrees] F, yet for the past few days they have been hovering at a Skegnessian 70[degrees]. Maybe the hot air of the tropics has been draining away north in one last gasp before the Atlantic fills with icebergs and the woolly mammoths march across Asia.

Of course, an attempt to build a climatic theory on the basis of a few temperature readings from around the world is fraught with difficulties. But then climatologists do not seem to be very good at interpreting data from the world's weather stations either. Averaged across the globe, temperatures recorded at weather stations have indeed been rising over the past couple of decades. Yet the alternative method of measuring average global temperatures - from satellites - shows no such rise, which suggests global warming may be a phantom effect caused by having too many weather stations among the world's artificially heated concrete jungles. As for the biblical floods widely predicted, sea levels around several islands in the Indian Ocean have actually fallen since their demise was predicted in the 1980s.

Even if the globe is warming, it is far from proven whether this is on balance a bad thing. If a few coral islands were to disappear, would their loss outweigh the gain in agriculture in northern climes? It is bizarre that Britain should be leading the world in taking action against global warming when we would benefit more than anybody: a rise of 2[degrees]F would merely take our climate back to mediaeval times, when Northumbrian monks were knocking back home-made wine.

If anything, it is the risk of an ice age which we have to fear. When ice ages arrive, the geological record tells us, they arrive quickly, within the space of a few years. A repeat of the last ice age would see the ice caps extending to the Thames. England would become like Greenland: capable of supporting marginal settlements on its southernmost fringes, but a wasteland within. What is more, the geological record shows that ice ages have tended to occur at 10,000-year intervals and are preceded by few warning signs. The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago.

For anyone reading this on a sun-lounger in Bournemouth, enjoy it while you can. For readers in Skegness, it may be too late already. Even the mass of hot air generated by the climate-change lobby will not prevent the next ice age when it does arrive.

Copyright Spectator Aug 9, 2003
Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved
 
As conservative politically as am, global warming is a serious problem and it's a shame that people just write it off as politics or a cycle. Everyone should be forced to watch 'An Inconvenient Truth,' it reveals that this "cycle" is about as 1000x as hot as any other cycle and it really adfecting the environment. If you want to believe that it's not there, it's your choice, but you're going to have to face it sooner or later.

Just my $.02, didn't mean to make it political.


The problem with 'An Inconvenient Truth' is that it paints us (humans) as the primary contributors to global warming. My other problem is that any scientific opposition to global warming is being squelched by the left. Using lines like "Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers . . . " link

I think global warming is just a global trend that we have proof of over soil samples from hundreds and thousands of years ago. Sure, the planet gets warmer, then it gets colder.. Sounds like more of an issue based on our axis and relation to the sun than the propganda from Al Gore and his ilk.

Then again I remember my grandparents telling me stories of the "Global Feezing" scare.

And finally, if you like to drink the cool-aid about human created Global Warming and you went out and bought a Prius. You have actually hurt the environment more just by buying that toxic car than a guy who bought a hummer a year ago and has driven it daily.. Linky
 
Nobody has any idea, it's all in where the data comes from, who's interpreting the data, and the criteria used to interpret it. 30 years ago we were all doomed because of the impending ice age. Some people are still holding to that by the way. For the record I'm not a proponent of either. Here's an interesting article I found from Aug, '03.

Good attitude to have Preembargo... Question everything, don't be part of the sheeple.
 
It's all BS. Global warming is exacly that, warming of the globe, which is why the ice caps are melting. Scientists base the global warming thing on the fact that the average temperature in the world has risen .7 degrees C in the past 125 years. .7 degrees celsius is 33 degrees farenheit. 33 degrees farenheit is a lot. Are you telling me that 125 years ago, the average summer in texas was only around 70? No and there are plenty of records to prove that they were just as hot back then. 125 years ago they didn't have machines painting the lines on thermometers, how do we know how precise they were? How far back has the weather been recorded using modern technology? Far enough to prove the earth isn't recovering from the ice age? Maybe the global warming thing is a result of the Earth recovering from that.

Also, the past couple years the average temperature is decreasing, which goes against any global warming.

Ever notice that the hole in the ozone is around a place where no plant life can live because it is to cold? So what is there to replenish the ozone? Nothing, that's what.

And scientists prove that carbon dioxide (co2) depletes oxygen (o2). When we smoke we let out carbon monoxide (co) which, to my knowledge, has never been proven to deplete o-zone (o3). Like preembargo said, it's all about who's interpreting the data. Do you think someone might skew data to please the person paying them, I do.

Keep smoking cigars, buy more cold beer, and enjoy the weather. If it gets too cold, put a space heater in the garage. No garage? Bring a six pack my way, you can use my garage.
 
-Little Ice Age... Which ended in the 1600's

I'm always surprised by mankinds ability to turn a buck on fear. Scientists don't get research grants to say "Things are great!", they get them to pump out bad news, even when its funded by the government. Also think about all the catastrophy based books that people buy in droves like 'Peek Oil'. Or the crazy movies like 'Day After Tomorrow' and 'Inconvient Truth'. Just the name of 'IT' moves to squash all opposition. I guess I'm much less fear based than most consumers.

I actually have a crazy notion that the big molten ball of rock and metal inside the earth that makes up the mantel and core is a kind of furnace. Which pulls in the rock and material from millions of years ago and makes new oil for us to burn. I don't really think we have finite resources on this planet.
 
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