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I know a guy that was in the lobby of that hotel on March 9. He is teaching police officers there. He was uninjured but the guy next to him was nearly killed.
 
The Majority of Bin Ladens better troops were trained by our special forces.USSR trying to take Iraq sothey could have a deep water port there.They were freedom fighters back than and very nasty.Now we are training up a new crew of troops in Iraq to deal with the problem.its a cache 22 situation and arms dealers all over the world love us for it.Hateing Iraq as a whole is silly though.
 
I spent 12 months in the Country of Iraq. I hate that piece of **** piece of realestate known as Iraq.
 
Mephiston said:
The Majority of Bin Ladens better troops were trained by our special forces.
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I have friends in US special forces who are dealing with these guys right now. Nothing that you said could be further from the truth. Bin Laden's folks are not better trained at all; in fact, their training is relatively pathetic.

The fact is, any schmuck and rig up a bomb that blows up and kills anyone who happens to be around. There isn't that much skill involved; it's very easy to initiate stealth/underhanded attacks -- it's very difficult to defend against them.
 
Mephiston said:
Sorry its a proven fact. not all but the elite terrorist units were trained by us to deal with russia. I promise.And i am ex special forces.
Most of the Iraqi Terrorism going on at this point have little or nothing to do with Bin Laden at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghan_Mujahideen
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Sorry, but no, you are wrong. A few things

1) wikipedia is not a factual database; it is a database where your average person contributes their version of events

2) You are confusing the Mujahideen with al qaeda. The Mujahideen did indeed fight against the USSR, and were somewhat trained/aided by the CIA. However, the Mujahideen fought against the Taliban and al qaeda forces in Afghanistan

You're confusing a terrorist faction with a nationalist faction; there is some minor overlap, but they are entirely separate entities, and indeed, as a group, fought against and killed each other 3 years ago in Afghanistan.

The mujahideen are in no way "bin Laden's disciples" -- that's just not accurate at all. It's true that 20 years ago or so, some of the people who were Mujahideen split and ended up following bin Laden... but you're getting into a very small group of who is left in this overlap envelope.

The vast, vast majority of his followers were not trained by the CIA, they are mostly just relatively untrained, but very fanatical dirtballs.
 
Wikipedia was just a quick find after reading your post sorry should have looked closer.

I in know way was refering to the Mujahideen with the al Qaeda I only met the contribution they made to the taliban.And massive amounts of fire power from us and training.equals a well taken care of faction. Even if it is old they train following groups just the same.

Also the fanatical dirt bags you speak of have varied training much of the time including our own countries and better.

A large amount of coverage at this point is also PMC and i'm guessing you know where the honor lies with them.

Most of the guys i know still in. tell me about the same that you said lousy training but religous still.
I never should have brought up bin laden in the same post as iraq i was not refering to the two being the same or related.

I can only ever hope that neighbors dont get to involved or this is never going to end.
 
Mephiston said:
The Majority of Bin Ladens better troops were trained by our special forces.USSR trying to take Iraq sothey could have a deep water port there.They were freedom fighters back than and very nasty.Now we are training up a new crew of troops in Iraq to deal with the problem.its a cache 22 situation and arms dealers all over the world love us for it.Hateing Iraq as a whole is silly though.
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Ugh. I hate ovesimplifications like that. I can't tell you how many times I have heard things like this come out of people's mouths. When you question them or challenge, they usually have nothing to back it up with, just that they heard it on the television. That's the problem with the media today. Too much opinion and outright mistruth, and not enough facts. There are still quite a few people in the US that think that if they saw it on the news, it must be true.

Good job on the clarifications, Moki.

JK
 
It's not that the AQ is untrained now, just that they are not foreign trained. Some of the few lucky ones to be trained years ago are now the teachers in the hidden training camps. It's come down to second/third hand training and most of the "converts" get very small portions of the training, only what they need for where they will operate.

In Iraq, it's an all-call for anyone who hates the Coalition to help fight and kill westerners. Untrained fanatics and plenty of explosives - you get the picture.
 
Jim k....I am far from a media hound so please dont post if you know nothing what so ever about me.I do however give credit to you for the oversimplification you are 100 percent true it could fill volumes of books easily. I really just wish the U.S would have dealt with BL instead of going to Iraq it is very direspectful to all the families and makes us look like fools that nothing has been done about him.
 
Mephiston said:
makes us look like fools that nothing has been done about him.
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Well, I wouldn't say nothing has been done.

Consider how much could be accomplished under the eye of the media forcasting your every move to the world. Now, factor in the benefit of shifting that eye away from operations to conserve Operations Security.

It's the magician correlary. Let them wand waving the red scarf, as long as they ignore the other hand.

That's all I'll say on that.....
 
Mephiston said:
Jim k....I am far from a media hound so please dont post if you know nothing what so ever about me.I do however give credit to you for the oversimplification you are 100 percent true it could fill volumes of books easily. I really just wish the U.S would have dealt with BL instead of going to Iraq it is very direspectful to all the families and makes us look like fools that nothing has been done about him.
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It's true I know very little about you. I am addressing your comments here, and not your personality or lifestyle or anything else. I'm sure you're a great guy, so please don't take umbrage with my response to your comments. I can't let them sit there and contribute to the misinformation.
You comment above is yet another re-iteration of the talking heads on TV. With all due respect, your post demonstrates no knowledge (beyond what the media tells you) about our efforts to capture UBL at the moment. It doesn't even occur to anybody that it *might* be possible to prosecute Iraq and UBL at the same time, because the media has portrayed it as an either/or situation. It is not.
I personally know a dozen guys who are working 3 shifts a day, everyday, looking for UBL, and that is in just one organization of many that are contributing to the effort to find him.
You mentioned you are ex-SOF. While that is a pretty broad statement, I assume you have some knowledge of DoD. I have to wonder how you can think we went to Iraq *instead* of dealing with UBL and that "nothing has been done about him." Perhaps you didn't say quite what you meant. That is not an attitude I come across everyday among the SOF folks I work with.
In any case, thanks for keeping it civil, and I am not going to go too much further with this out of respect for your service. I am just a civvy. :)

JK
 
I am now a civillian so my knowledge of what happens is limited but I think treamayne made that a little clearer :thumbs:. My problem is not that we are doing nothing about him. but that should be what is shown to the public.The U.S needs to know about him. he caused one of the most demoralizing moments in our history.I understand that Spec-ops is not something that should be telivised for so many obvious reasons. But as a civilian with military history it is very hard to watch Iraq daily and here nothing about BL.
I try to read between the lines when it comes to news and continue to speak to "friends" quite often but it is hard to stay up with what actually occurs.
 
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