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My Pet Peave of the Day

Gonz

Gonz

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When an established member offers up a trade, sale or group buy, and requests (for obvious reasons) that only people they have dealt with in the past contact them, why do others feel they should be able to respond if they don't meet those simple criteria?

HERE is a prime example. From his responses later in the thread, it is obvious that there were people responding that had no business doing so. Complete newbies who have only been here a day or two and don't know shit, unfortunately I can understand. They're just dumb. But if you've perhaps been here a few months, maybe even 6 months and don't meet the criteria, then don't respond! I've experienced this myself in the past, and it kind of sucks having to deny someone who may or may not be on the level, putting me in the position of having to make a judgement call, and be the bad guy for saying no.

I might host another group buy real soon, in fact the cigars might even be on their way. But I'm hesitant to post about it for fear of these people responding and my having to be an asshole and say NO!


Bottom line, if someone offers up something, because they're helping us out or doing us a service, and request that only certain people contact them, please honor that request!
 
LOL @ Andys rant.

You'd be surprised what kind of PMs you get when you run these kinds of things.
 
PM sent :D



:sign:


I know what you mean, a fine BOTL once told me a GB is enough work as it is and you’re the one running the show so if you don’t want someone in it then don’t let them in. If they don’t understand the hell with em. Loosely quoted of course.
 
Make a standardized template that says, (This is an automated response to your inquiry. Please do not reply!) "Unfortunately you do not meet the minimum requirements at this time!" Please re-read the requirements if you have further questions, and if you feel you are still eligible, you are an asshat! :D
 
xRanger said:
Make a standardized template that says, (This is an automated response to your inquiry. Please do not reply!) "Unfortunately you do not meet the minimum requirements at this time!" Please re-read the requirements if you have further questions, and if you feel you are still eligible, you are an asshat! :D
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LOL
 
I remember when you has 65 posts here









Did I just post that? It shoulda been a PM :p
 
Andy, while I agree with your sentiments and frustration, we all have to start somewhere.

IMHO, being new does not make you any less a stand up guy then the next guy. That new guy could become a damn fine BOTL down the line and an important contributor to the board.

When you don't know someone, payment first. Well,even if you do know someone, payment first. We all know that this avoids conflict which has happened in the past.

Just my 0000002 worth :laugh:

Brian
 
Infinity said:
Andy, while I agree with your sentiments and frustration, we all have to start somewhere.

IMHO, being new does not make you any less a stand up guy then the next guy. That new guy could become a damn fine BOTL down the line and an important contributor to the board.

When you don't know someone, payment first. Well,even if you do know someone, payment first. We all know that this avoids conflict which has happened in the past.

Just my 0000002 worth :laugh:

Brian
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The issue here is regarding group buys or sales of certain cigars rolled in a specific country, which is a very touchy subject right now. There have been "new members" here and at another forum (that I have heard about) that tried to purchase or get into these kind of things. Not too long after the seller rec'd a nice letter from the man. So in the past most folks never really made an attempt at dealing with only those we know, because sales and trades of those cigars was not such a big deal. I'm not concerned about having to ask for payment first, I just don't want newbies because they cannot be trusted until they've proven that they are contributing members.
 
I think to clarify what I'm trying to say, I have no problem with newer members trying to get into group buys or trades or anything. Like Infinity said, the new folks need chances to prove themselves beyond the NST and being involved. However, if someone posts a group buy or box split and requests that only those they have dealt with in the past contact them, and someone has not, they should not reply!
 
Gonz said:
I think to clarify what I'm trying to say, I have no problem with newer members trying to get into group buys or trades or anything. Like Infinity said, the new folks need chances to prove themselves beyond the NST and being involved. However, if someone posts a group buy or box split and requests that only those they have dealt with in the past contact them, and someone has not, they should not reply!
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Andy, you are right about this one, my bad. :blush: I didn't think further then NC's.

Unfortunately, I guess other people may have thought the same thing because it's not easy to explain lately.

Brian
 
Gonz

Relax, Don't Worry, Have a Homebrew!

Maybe they thought you were laid back and would bend the rules.
 
I thought it was spelled PEEVE not PEAVE. :whistling:

Some guys get peeved when someone misspells the word peave.

Then again it is not as bad as when someone spells "you're" as "your".

But personally I don't really care because...

huked un foniks werkd fer mee! :p
 
Gonz said:
When an established member offers up a trade, sale or group buy, and requests (for obvious reasons) that only people they have dealt with in the past contact them, why do others feel they should be able to respond if they don't meet those simple criteria?

HERE is a prime example. From his responses later in the thread, it is obvious that there were people responding that had no business doing so. Complete newbies who have only been here a day or two and don't know shit, unfortunately I can understand. They're just dumb. But if you've perhaps been here a few months, maybe even 6 months and don't meet the criteria, then don't respond! I've experienced this myself in the past, and it kind of sucks having to deny someone who may or may not be on the level, putting me in the position of having to make a judgement call, and be the bad guy for saying no.

I might host another group buy real soon, in fact the cigars might even be on their way. But I'm hesitant to post about it for fear of these people responding and my having to be an asshole and say NO!


Bottom line, if someone offers up something, because they're helping us out or doing us a service, and request that only certain people contact them, please honor that request!
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Hey Andy,

You bring up a couple of good points and I can see how something like this could turn into a real fiasco. Perhaps it would be useful if I just clarified by responding to a few of these important points.

1. If you meet the criteria, then respond. That's pretty straightforward. If you feel you're on the bubble on one or more criterion, then I'd consider a tactful probing PM to be acceptable. If you are clearly not in the class, then stay out of it. I'd consider it acceptable to post to publically signal your interest to participate in the future opportunities.

2. As the buy/split coordinator, you get to set the terms of the transaction. If it is for a fixed quantity, then please expect that there is a good reason for limiting either the number of boxes or participants. Or it could simply be coordinator's choice. Respect that.

However, if people post to fish for additional units to be added, then expect to be ignored OR for the coordinator to offer to expand the buy/split. It is his choice and at his discretion. Once you see which way he's willing to lean, respect that.

3. Beyond the issue of who is invited to participate, there are several categories of transactions and learning to read which one it is can prevent a lot of frustration.

a. Limited Split - fixed quantity of predetermined goods to be portioned out (the transaction in question)
I bring in 3 boxes of XXX and would like to split off two of them. Participants have no choice on identity or quantities above and beyond what is offered.

b. Limited Group Buy - fixed quantity, identity, or value of goods to be portioned out
I would like to bring in 3 boxes cigars and the identity and/or value are negotiable based on participant input.

c. Open Split - predetermined goods, but flexible quantity
I have a line on cheap AVO LE5 at closeout and would be willing to buy enough to fulfill any interest.

d. Open Group Buy - flexible goods and flexible quantity, perhaps recurrent (happening monthly perhaps)
I would like to bring in bring in some boxes, maybe one or two a month, different cigars each month. "Buyer's Clubs" are usually in this class.

Wilkey
 
I remember seeing that thread, and I wanted in. I wasn't eligible so I kept quiet. :)

Newbies may not know a lot, but I don't see a reason why we should be generalized as dumb.
 
vin# said:
I remember seeing that thread, and I wanted in. I wasn't eligible so I kept quiet. :)

Newbies may not know a lot, but I don't see a reason why we should be generalized as dumb.
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Gonz said:
...Complete newbies who have only been here a day or two and don't know shit, unfortunately I can understand. They're just dumb. But if you've perhaps been here a few months, maybe even 6 months and don't meet the criteria, then don't respond!...
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Vin#,

I think that must be the quote you're thinking about.

I'm sure Andy'll correct me if I'm off base, but I don't think he was referring to intelligence per se. It's more likely that he was talking about being ignorant of the norms and customs of this community. The fact that he expects members with a few months online to behave differently suggests that this is the case.

Wilkey
 
Wilkey nailed it. That's exactly what I was referring to. Perhaps dumb isn't quite the right word, sorry for that, I think ignorant is more in line with what I was thinking. The brand new folks don't realize the faux pas, or haven't taken the time to read up on our rules hence the "newbie mistake".
 
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