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Okay, so do dis-similar cigars marry?
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My copy of The Havana Cigar is a first edition, so it's sealed up. Here is a picture of one of the pages to get a feel for the book.
You can use your imagination as to what is on page 141. :whistling:
You never said you could read.
Oh, pictures!
If I want to know something about Habanos I know I can ask Devin or Matt and get a straight answer. Oh and there are others here that have a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience not only with Habanos but with cigars in general.
Bob, I'll make sure I read your future posts so I can learn more about Habanos in general. A very enlightening thread to say the least.
I still am hoping for my flavored cigars to get some of the Habano profile on them
Bob, I'll make sure I read your future posts so I can learn more about Habanos in general. A very enlightening thread to say the least.
I still am hoping for my flavored cigars to get some of the Habano profile on them
cigar smoke
Member
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
Bob,
Re-read some of Matt's posts. He has had a box of '92 Cohiba Robustos with cellophane. Obviously, even without a factual error in MRN or contradiction via Cubatobacco catalog, there still were Cohiba Robustos made in cellophane. Unless, you think Matt R bought a box of fakes from Christies...
You're wrong, and you should take SamClemmon's advice.
cigar smoke
Member
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
Bob,
Re-read some of Matt's posts. He has had a box of '92 Cohiba Robustos with cellophane. Obviously, even without a factual error in MRN or contradiction via Cubatobacco catalog, there still were Cohiba Robustos made in cellophane. Unless, you think Matt R bought a box of fakes from Christies...
You're wrong, and you should take SamClemmon's advice.
Do you know what commercialy produced means..........That is what this is about,maybe you should go back and re- read
Bob
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
Bob,
Re-read some of Matt's posts. He has had a box of '92 Cohiba Robustos with cellophane. Obviously, even without a factual error in MRN or contradiction via Cubatobacco catalog, there still were Cohiba Robustos made in cellophane. Unless, you think Matt R bought a box of fakes from Christies...
You're wrong, and you should take SamClemmon's advice.
Do you know what commercialy produced means..........That is what this is about,maybe you should go back and re- read
Bob
Yes I know. You quote a source, in Cubatobacco, that speaks to pre-89 Cohiba Robustos and you present one box from 1990. That doesn't rule out anything from 1992 and so far, Matt R has had an entire box from then that appear to be regular production (he would have said otherwise I'm sure), and Moki has a cello'd stick.
And stop being so condescending.
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Member
Jeez, Bob, with your infinite knowledge of all things and the inability to make, let alone admit a mistake, I think you're wasting your time with cigars. Shoot, you could be out curing cancer, solving the mysteries of the universe, etc.
I'll bet it gets frustrating having to deal with all us sto0pid people that won't bow down to your superior knowledge, doesn't it..??
But hey, hang in there. You've managed to insult several of the most respected members on the board. I'm sure given time, you'll get around to the rest of us.
Whatever......B.B.S.
I'll bet it gets frustrating having to deal with all us sto0pid people that won't bow down to your superior knowledge, doesn't it..??
But hey, hang in there. You've managed to insult several of the most respected members on the board. I'm sure given time, you'll get around to the rest of us.
Whatever......B.B.S.
Matt R
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Bob, the robusto was first produced in 1989. The article quoted: "The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" says nothing about the early 90's, which is when the box I had was produced. I am not saying that the packaging was widespread, but it was done and it was "official". In other words, it came from the factory that way. MRN's book has so many mistatements that not everything can be taken for granted, even when it is re-produced from other text.
As for Christie's, while they are indeed the premier auction house for cigars, they have been known to make mistakes. I know of a few major ones having several friends who regularly attend the auctions. Most notably in recent history was the Gold Medal fiasco of the mid-90's.
Having a box listed from 1990 that has no cello does not prove that they were not released with cello. Devin has two boxes of Esplendidos from '91 (could be '90) with the same markings, one with cello, one without.
Bob, I'll put up your producing one cigar to Mr. Cole presenting multiple full boxes of the same cigar any time. No one is sitting on a throne here, though you seem to be attempting a coup' against someone who has never once tried to appear superior to anyone.
As for Christie's, while they are indeed the premier auction house for cigars, they have been known to make mistakes. I know of a few major ones having several friends who regularly attend the auctions. Most notably in recent history was the Gold Medal fiasco of the mid-90's.
Having a box listed from 1990 that has no cello does not prove that they were not released with cello. Devin has two boxes of Esplendidos from '91 (could be '90) with the same markings, one with cello, one without.
Bob, I'll put up your producing one cigar to Mr. Cole presenting multiple full boxes of the same cigar any time. No one is sitting on a throne here, though you seem to be attempting a coup' against someone who has never once tried to appear superior to anyone.
cigar smoke
Member
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
Bob,
Re-read some of Matt's posts. He has had a box of '92 Cohiba Robustos with cellophane. Obviously, even without a factual error in MRN or contradiction via Cubatobacco catalog, there still were Cohiba Robustos made in cellophane. Unless, you think Matt R bought a box of fakes from Christies...
You're wrong, and you should take SamClemmon's advice.
Do you know what commercialy produced means..........That is what this is about,maybe you should go back and re- read
Bob
Yes I know. You quote a source, in Cubatobacco, that speaks to pre-89 Cohiba Robustos and you present one box from 1990. That doesn't rule out anything from 1992 and so far, Matt R has had an entire box from then that appear to be regular production (he would have said otherwise I'm sure), and Moki has a cello'd stick.
And stop being so condescending.
It is not Pre 1989........Its 1989 when the cigars were released.I dont meant to be condescending. However its hard not to with regards to Sams comments to me.........Im sorry please forgive me
You know the bottom line is that none of you guys here have given me one ounce of credit........You all have put me down.......Even in the face of strong evidence........
Bob
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
1) How many is a "few incorrect"? A year's worth of production from a factory, a week?
2) Also, I'm pretty sure that those Cohiba Robusto's that Matt has were "commercially available" in the sense that at the time of purchase, they were bought through a regular retail outlet and not through some special consignment or allotment. Matt will have the straighten out how they were purchased though.
Saying a Cohiba Robusto that is cellophaned is rare is a whole lot different then saying what you're saying, that it's an error and was never intended to happen. Also, still, the Christies and MRN evidence does NOTHING to refute Matt or Devin's claim as to regularly cellophaned Cohiba cigars. The only claim that you made to refute that is that you were a "pro" and that they aren't.
Also, "except"? CC?
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Bob,
Please remember that you are the expert here, not I. So I don't know why you are getting so very defensive about being asked questions. I thought you were here to educate the members that wish to learn more.
Quite frankly, I do not know how many factories rolled the Festival cigars. I never had enough interest to look into it. And to the book, there are not just a few mistakes.
It is unfortunate that you will not answer the difficult questions I wish to ask, let along the easy ones.
If you would be so kind as to turn to page one-forty-one of "The Havana Cigar" I would appreciate it.
Thank you for your time and have a pleasant evening.
Good morning Devin. I guess if I were a newbe I would be shaking in by boots by now....... For the record you have admitted being sceptical of my experience and knowledge.... I'll get to the hand rolled cigars in cellophane that you thought I couldnt answer for in a moment..........Now I see the opinions are running against me that my only knowledge is from the MRN and internet if I'm reading all your posts correctly. Now lets first take alook at the 1st proof that I presented that Commercial Robustos were not made with cello. Ist, in the MRN book not only does it say that they were never made the MRN book is quoting The cuban publication Cubatabacco International in 1989 when they were released.......The actual text from the magazine is quoted as saying " In the 1980's all Cohiba models were packaged only in the cellophaned version, with the exception of Robusto" Now of course your response to that was the book has mistakes......Ok so now its going to get harder for you.
Devin of course you have heard of Christies in London........Are you going to poo poo them too. They are the one of the finest Auction houses of vintage cuban cigars in the world. Of course you know Brian Ebbsen.( no longer cigar sales) Any way moving right along..Im sure you have Christies vintage cigar catolog dated Nov 17 2005
Well take a look at page 48 lot 686 hum... I wonder what it says. Well unlike you and the games you play by not telling me whats in your book you have mentioned, I will tell you what It says. 1990 Cohiba Robusto old style bands. At Christies If a cigar has cello it is clearly stated. I guess that would have been a typo right Devin.......Oh and the fact that one has not been seen there. Thats funny for a commercialy produced cigar some one in the Business must have seen plenty of cello wrapped robustos........Also I have a 1990 box with one left....Guess what no cello......Want to guess where that box came from........Im sure with your vast knowledge you will come up with something to try to counter this.....Truth is I have alot more ammo here.....I just want you keep doing what you do best when trying to rid a knowledgable person that threatens your throne here.....
Oh I almost forgot give me your address so I can mail you a hand rolled cello wrapped cigar (one you havent mentioned) See Devin I dont have to name them I can produce them
Just a word to all the folks following this thread........I truly apologize for the way this info has come accross. It was always my intent to provide accurate info to the member here.......Thankyou for all the support for all you guys behind the scene.
Devin.. anytime you want to take this down acouple of notches Im game....If would would like to try again and start over I would be happy to.
Bob
Bob,
Re-read some of Matt's posts. He has had a box of '92 Cohiba Robustos with cellophane. Obviously, even without a factual error in MRN or contradiction via Cubatobacco catalog, there still were Cohiba Robustos made in cellophane. Unless, you think Matt R bought a box of fakes from Christies...
You're wrong, and you should take SamClemmon's advice.
Do you know what commercialy produced means..........That is what this is about,maybe you should go back and re- read
Bob
Yes I know. You quote a source, in Cubatobacco, that speaks to pre-89 Cohiba Robustos and you present one box from 1990. That doesn't rule out anything from 1992 and so far, Matt R has had an entire box from then that appear to be regular production (he would have said otherwise I'm sure), and Moki has a cello'd stick.
And stop being so condescending.
It is not Pre 1989........Its 1989 when the cigars were released.I dont meant to be condescending. However its hard not to with regards to Sams comments to me.........Im sorry please forgive me
You know the bottom line is that none of you guys here have given me one ounce of credit........You all have put me down.......Even in the face of strong evidence........
Bob
My bad. You're probably right, I thought that it was a 1989 publication date, not about 1989 production cigars in Cuba. I would think a catalog about all 1989 production cigars in Cuba would have to be published in 1990, so this one very well could be. Still, it does nothing to contradict the existence of "commercially available" cello'd Cohiba Robustos in the 1990s.
Also, just to be clear, you were condescending in this thread and in others way before SC's comments.
Matt R
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So far, no strong evidence and I can't make a box of cigars appear that I no longer have. They were bought years ago, smoked years ago. I bnought them second-hand via a friend who bought a lot at auction. I do not recall when they were bought by him and may have never known. Truth is, I don't keep records of my cigars, I smoke them. I am not really a collector, though I have had some collectible cigars over the years. If I were closer I'm sure Mr. Cole would allow me to potgraph some stuff for you, though I would also guess that like many people, he would rather not broadcast to the world what is in the collection.
I'll give you credit for knowledge superior to many people, but having that knowledge you should also know that NOTHING is written in stone as far as early Havana production. Just over the last ten years I've seen numerous things out of Havana that seem odd, but the stores still sold them officially. I've been in online conversations with Simon Chase where he has talked about some of the stuff he's seen over the years, as well as Valerio Cornale and other major league collectors. Before the boom of the mid-90's there was not a lot of extreme oversight on production of cigars. If one box had cello and one did not, even if they were sitting right next to each other on the shelf, didn't matter to most consumers. They were smoking the cigars ro putting them in their caves for future smoking. Most weren't concerned with the value later of a rarity. A lot of that started with the Cubatabaco 25th Anniversary humidor and continues now with special edition humidors and cigars.
SamClemmons
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Okay. Sorry I went all Rhett Butler on you Scarlett but you bring it on yourself. You may be superior to me but nobody would know it by reading this thread. I appreciate cigar "knowledge" but it isn't a new frontier where intelligence and vision carry the day, it's a collection of data and nothing more.
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Matt ....The real question is why an auction house like Chisties has not seen them.........Ask Mitchell Orchant.......Never seen them as well........Is there a pattern forming here. None of the Pros in the business have seen them.......If they were commercialy available there would have been tons of them around.......... If you guys dont want to see this as valid than Im wasting my time here........
Bob
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Matt of course I know things have always been f--up in Cuba.....Trust me I can tell you many details...1st hand knowledge.......Been there done that......you know what I mean.........
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Zeebra
Daddy still loves Padrón!
Well said Samuel. I'm all for learning more about cigars, but this tit for tat about who knows more is very annoying. At this point I could care less who's right in this argument but I keep coming back to see how many periods Bob will use in his replies.
ThankYouForNotSmoking
Self-Proclaimed Everyman's Man
Well said Samuel. I'm all for learning more about cigars, but this tit for tat about who knows more is very annoying. At this point I could care less who's right in this argument but I keep coming back to see how many periods Bob will use in his replies.
I just want Bob to admit he's wrong. Really, that's all. The world isn't really going to stop spinning even if Cohibas start coming in pink cellophane.
But, Bob's wrong. He knows a lot about Cuban cigars, but he's wrong. And this whole condescending, better than thou shit is really annoying to read.
Allofus123
Here ducky, ducky, ducky!
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Respect? Somebody owes you respect? Who the hell are you? Seriously, who are you? Maybe if you would share what makes you "the pro" some people, not all mind you but some, may share in your opinion of yourself.
Why are my spidey senses tingling. ??? Is Bob really W.... naw, I won't go there.