thank you all for responding.. I added a bunch to my list to try. I had My Father Toro LB Oscuro on Sat, wow! It was unbelivable. And last night tried AF 858 Natural and it was not bad, not bad at all, woody, a bit sweet. Took a few puffs of my friends Maduro 858, and it was bitter, nat is much better. Will buy some Liga Privada to try this week, some Punch Champion and Magnum and Punch Grand Puro, with some Oliva O Toro, and maybe Torano Virtuoso Toro