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What was the "Cigar Boom"

smokelaw1 said:
So, Wilkey,

In the mating patterns of the High-Browed North African Swallow, what is your explanation for the decreasing diameter of the gliding circles often exhibited by females after finding a mate, but beofre laying the eggs?

Explain that one, tough guy. ;-)
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Simple,

But that's a trick question, isn't it? ;)

After fertilization, the developing egg inside the female adds mass. However, this in non-flight generating mass. This means that the mommy bird has to haul around more weight but she is only able to generate the same amount of lift so her flight speed must therefore be reduced. This has the net effect of decreasing her linear momentum. However, since she's flying in circles, her angular momentum is conserved and since L=r x p, the radius of her flight circles must therefore be increased.

But your question was in reference to gliding circles. These do indeed get smaller and the reason why is because flying in ever smaller circles with her belly out reduces the pressure of the developing (and rather larger egg) on nerves near the spine. The larger the egg, the smaller the circles, the more spinal pressure relief.

Wilkey :p

And what AVB suspects is on the button. I had a bad experience with half a bottle of Glenlivet a few years back and I have avoided Scotch and whisky ever since. Well, except for a little Ballantine's with dad.


Note: the above, while based on sound general principles of physics and physiology, is pretty much complete speculation if not bullshit :D
 
Holy crap dude...that was one of the most remarkeable spewing of bullsh1t I've ever read. Are you a lawyer...you should be one of us. Gooble gobble, gooble goble, one of us, one of us. (sorry for the obscure referrrnece, but I imagine you can tell me where it's from, who wrote it, and where he got the idea).

Great reasoning based on sound physics prinicples applied toa completely made up bird and phenomenon.

PS--LMFAO!
 
LOL :thumbs: Wilkey there is definitely some Irish in your ancestral background... You have more than a bit of the Blarney in you!
 
Wilkey, you forgot to take into account Coriolis force in your explination. I'm very disapointed. This would account for a decrease in the radius. :whistling:

Doc.
 
The cigar boom did affect you, if you lived through it overseas. Not sure what you were smoking over there at the time, but most of the Cuban vitolas were only available in limited numbers and the quality went to sh*t. There were shortages everywhere because every businessman and his friend wanted to open a cigar business. Bales upon bales of inferior tobacco were rolled into cigars and the blends were thrown together just for the sake of having a cigar with a different band on it. The Cubans went through this too, as well as having some of the worst bouts of agricultural problems that they had in decades. The demand versus supply was heavily weighted towards the demand side. The Cubans are just recently coming out of their problems, that were a result of the boom. Quality is starting to become important again, which during the boom, it had little affect on the way cigars were made.
 
Matt R said:
The cigar boom did affect you, if you lived through it overseas. Not sure what you were smoking over there at the time, but most of the Cuban vitolas were only available in limited numbers and the quality went to sh*t. There were shortages everywhere because every businessman and his friend wanted to open a cigar business. Bales upon bales of inferior tobacco were rolled into cigars and the blends were thrown together just for the sake of having a cigar with a different band on it. The Cubans went through this too, as well as having some of the worst bouts of agricultural problems that they had in decades. The demand versus supply was heavily weighted towards the demand side. The Cubans are just recently coming out of their problems, that were a result of the boom. Quality is starting to become important again, which during the boom, it had little affect on the way cigars were made.
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Who are you and what have you done with Matt?
 
Matt R said:
The cigar boom did affect you, if you lived through it overseas. Not sure what you were smoking over there at the time, but most of the Cuban vitolas were only available in limited numbers and the quality went to sh*t. There were shortages everywhere because every businessman and his friend wanted to open a cigar business. Bales upon bales of inferior tobacco were rolled into cigars and the blends were thrown together just for the sake of having a cigar with a different band on it. The Cubans went through this too, as well as having some of the worst bouts of agricultural problems that they had in decades. The demand versus supply was heavily weighted towards the demand side. The Cubans are just recently coming out of their problems, that were a result of the boom. Quality is starting to become important again, which during the boom, it had little affect on the way cigars were made.
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Mostly smoked Cuesta Rey 898s bought at the Military price for them, 3 sticks for 10 dollars, with a few cubans thrown in once in a great while.

I noticed no big increase in price, and due to the fact that my B&M at the time in Nürnberg had a extremely large stock of sticks, I was always able to find cigars made in the 1970s and 1980s during the 1990s (man I miss that shop, it closed when the owner died). So the boom wasn't even a blip on my radar.

Only recently has the military raised its prices (the 3 898s now cost over 13 dollars).

And to be truthful, most of the different brands I've tried have been since joining CP, before I always bought the same old same old.

And for that I am very grateful :thumbs:
 
That explains a lot. The Newman's were able to keep the Cueste-Rey product on most shelves during the boom. Locally they were one of the most plentiful, if I remember correct. People were going out of their way to get the flashiest looking cigars and the trend moved towards larger ring gauges and darker wrappers.
 
Matt R said:
That explains a lot. The Newman's were able to keep the Cueste-Rey product on most shelves during the boom. Locally they were one of the most plentiful, if I remember correct. People were going out of their way to get the flashiest looking cigars and the trend moved towards larger ring gauges and darker wrappers.
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Well we do have the boom to thank for alot of the better newer cigars as well don't we?

And I recently smoked one of my beloved 898s and found myself thinking it was lacking, funny how our tastes grow the more cigars we try.
 
Double D said:
i think im going to start calling wilkey sensi i have a wildlife degree and he almost had me believing it was possible.
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LOL! If I hadn't made up the bird and the circling crap...I would have believed him. But then again, law school taught me to be able to believe all kinds of hard to believe bs!!
 
I agree that overall quality has improved. I mean as method of manufacture and quality control for consistency. IIRC, in this same time frame, there were several strains of Cuban tobacco introduced in response to disease and yield considerations. Thus, the almost mythical "what happened after 1995" effect.

Wilkey
 
The cigar boom was created by Marvin Shanken and his magazine Cigar Aficionado. Before the magazine came out, you could buy all of your favorites any time and you didn't need to worry about stocking up because something might not be available. Once the boom was in full affect, most legitimate non Cubans became hard to find, even JR had huge back orders. I used to buy Fuente 858's for 17 bucks a box in the mid 80's. Now they retail for 87.50.

The boom created tons of shit cigars and all of those who mfg. them eventually went out of business. What we have left is the greatest amount of quality cigars that has ever been in the cigar industry. The amount of competition today is making cigar mfgs produce better and more variety of cigars than there has ever been. Back before the boom there were not nearly as many different brands or blends as there are now. There are so many more choices for us cigar smokers, but the prices are indeed a lot higher.

The quality of some of these cigars is unprecedented; the only thing about the pre boom cigars that was better was the quality of the Cameroon wrapped cigars. Back in the mid 80's to early 90's the Cameroon wrapped Upmanns, Fuentes, Partagas, and Royal Jamaican Park Lanes were the toothiest Cameroon you have ever seen. Today that Cameroon wrapper isn't quite as good, other than that the cigars being made are superior to what was being produced before the boom. The amount of technology being used by a younger generation of cigar maker is way above what the old school guys used.

As far as Cuban cigars are concerned in 1999 Cuba decided they wanted to make 200 million cigars. They had never even made 100 million before that so they opened a ton of new factories and their quality went to shit. The tobacco itself wasn't that big a problem because the 1998 crop was one of the best in Cuba’s history. It was the blending and construction that took the huge hit. Before 1999 there were serious shortages to the most popular sizes i.e. Monte 2's Partagas Lusi's HDM DC and Serie D 4's to name a few. However there were still tons of less popular cigars i.e. Partagas SD1's. Upmann Lonsdale’s, Sancho Panza Molino’s that were available and smoked great. It took Cuba until 2001 to start getting their shit together and for the most part their quality in construction has greatly improved. They of course never got close to the 200 million number and have abandoned that ridiculous idea.

This is just a basic description of what went on there were of course a lot more things happening at the time.


One interesting note was when the new mfgs during the boom lured hundreds of Fuente rollers away with big promises of money. Those rollers were soon out of jobs and looking to go back to Fuente. He didn't take one back. Instead he turned factory no. 4 which is still run to this day by Juan Sosa into a sort of college for rollers. He took young people with no experience and trained them all to roll cigars in the old Cuban style of En Tubar. This method is basically taking each individual leaf and rolling it into a tube and then adding each tube into the bundle and then wrapping the binder on to that. He created a completely new work force that had no history of bad habits. This is one of the main reasons that a Fuente cigar is constructed so well.
 
I knew what the boom was but hadn't really thought about its broader implications. The members here are a wealth of information.

I learn more here by accident than elsewhere by design. . .
 
I for one am glad I asked! :thumbs:

Thanks for the great answers gentlemen!
 
Great info TM. This place is just full of great info, experience and perspectives.

I stand by my opinion that this is the best online cigar community on the web :thumbs:

Wilkey
 
The Master said:
The cigar boom was created by Marvin Shanken and his magazine Cigar Aficionado. Before the magazine came out, you could buy all of your favorites any time and you didn't need to worry about stocking up because something might not be available. Once the boom was in full affect, most legitimate non Cubans became hard to find, even JR had huge back orders. I used to buy Fuente 858's for 17 bucks a box in the mid 80's. Now they retail for 87.50.

The boom created tons of shit cigars and all of those who mfg. them eventually went out of business. What we have left is the greatest amount of quality cigars that has ever been in the cigar industry. The amount of competition today is making cigar mfgs produce better and more variety of cigars than there has ever been. Back before the boom there were not nearly as many different brands or blends as there are now. There are so many more choices for us cigar smokers, but the prices are indeed a lot higher.

The quality of some of these cigars is unprecedented; the only thing about the pre boom cigars that was better was the quality of the Cameroon wrapped cigars. Back in the mid 80's to early 90's the Cameroon wrapped Upmanns, Fuentes, Partagas, and Royal Jamaican Park Lanes were the toothiest Cameroon you have ever seen. Today that Cameroon wrapper isn't quite as good, other than that the cigars being made are superior to what was being produced before the boom. The amount of technology being used by a younger generation of cigar maker is way above what the old school guys used.

As far as Cuban cigars are concerned in 1999 Cuba decided they wanted to make 200 million cigars. They had never even made 100 million before that so they opened a ton of new factories and their quality went to shit. The tobacco itself wasn't that big a problem because the 1998 crop was one of the best in Cuba’s history. It was the blending and construction that took the huge hit. Before 1999 there were serious shortages to the most popular sizes i.e. Monte 2's Partagas Lusi's HDM DC and Serie D 4's to name a few. However there were still tons of less popular cigars i.e. Partagas SD1's. Upmann Lonsdale’s, Sancho Panza Molino’s that were available and smoked great. It took Cuba until 2001 to start getting their shit together and for the most part their quality in construction has greatly improved. They of course never got close to the 200 million number and have abandoned that ridiculous idea.

This is just a basic description of what went on there were of course a lot more things happening at the time.


One interesting note was when the new mfgs during the boom lured hundreds of Fuente rollers away with big promises of money. Those rollers were soon out of jobs and looking to go back to Fuente. He didn't take one back. Instead he turned factory no. 4 which is still run to this day by Juan Sosa into a sort of college for rollers. He took young people with no experience and trained them all to roll cigars in the old Cuban style of En Tubar. This method is basically taking each individual leaf and rolling it into a tube and then adding each tube into the bundle and then wrapping the binder on to that. He created a completely new work force that had no history of bad habits. This is one of the main reasons that a Fuente cigar is constructed so well.
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What a wealth of great information, thanks TM. This needs to be a sticky. Rod, are you listening?
 
A question comes to mind...Did Marvin Shanken hold any stock in cigar companies when the boom occured or was the CA release coincidental to the boom? Did the tobacco companies minupulate the market like the gas shortage in the seventies?
 
Marvin Shanken created the boom when his magazine came out in 1992. I have no idea if he bought shares in the companies that went public.

The tobacco companies did nothing to manipulate the market, they were completely unprepared for the incredible demand that came as a result of the magazine.
 
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