Fukushima

[MrAnderson41]

Fugg all this technical shit. 50 men volunteered to die to save their country men. God bless 'em.

Doc.

Like most other reports from the major news media, I don't think that those reports are accurate Doc. The latest that I've read from NEI is that dose rates rapidly dropped off after the initial spike the other day. All in all the site was only evacuated of all non-essential personnel for about 1 hour. Also, here's an article explaining that the biggest threat to workers there is dealing with the fires, explosions, etc. and not necessarily with the radiation.

My link 1
My link 2

Edit: Oops that first link was to a video that featured the power plant that I work at that was on Good Morning America this morning. The second link is the link to the article I was talking about.

 

[Wurm]

Hooray for the jack-assed politicians here in Germany... I hate knee-jerk reactions. :angry:

 

[Seanholio]

Hooray for the jack-assed politicians here in Germany... I hate knee-jerk reactions. :angry:

What did <i>your</i> jackasses do? Ours played golf and made sports picks while robbing the treasury. ???

I googled that for myself. Wow, shutting down 7 reactors in Germany because a phenomenal earthquake, followed by an epic tsunami, damaged reactors in Japan. Germany is not exactly infamous for seizmic activity, but is apparently on-par with the rest of the world for political reactivity.

It does seem that Germany occasionally experiences a tsunami: Der Spiegel

 

[Wurm]

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Billion-euro_nuclear_shutdown_in_Germany_1603111.html

Its what happens when you let the Greens have seats...

 

[Seanholio]

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Billion-euro_nuclear_shutdown_in_Germany_1603111.html

Its what happens when you let the Greens have seats...

OOooh I'm so close to a political rant... I'll sum up with "Those hosers."

 

[Nimrod]

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Billion-euro_nuclear_shutdown_in_Germany_1603111.html

Its what happens when you let the Greens have seats...

Wait, nuclear power is the greenest type of energy we have.

 

[vortex]

A side note

A couple of links on a new type of reactor:

http://en.wikipedia....rium_fuel_cycle

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/348

Many advantages and India has built one.

I've been looking for anyone mentioning the thorium reactor in the news, but it is completely absent. Apparently solutions don't sell enough ads or attract enough viewers. Brave New World!

Apparently Thorenco is working with LBNL to create a portable Thorium reactor which generates 15 megawatts while also generating steam hot enough to use in useful processes like desalination or shale oil extraction. When the fuel is spent in 10 years, you can swap out the core.

Considering all the money to be made from carbon tax, I doubt you'll hear too many "solutions" to the problems of sustainable and renewable power sources. Also, this is the kind of new technology that should be encouraged but the only options given cred are the most conservative and long known ideas. Ideas that will not work, in other words.

 

[SirSqueeboo]

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C_Billion-euro_nuclear_shutdown_in_Germany_1603111.html

Its what happens when you let the Greens have seats...

That is one heck of an over-reaction. I severely doubt there's a tangible threat of a tsunami in a country that is for the most part landlocked, and only two of their plants are even close (~10 miles) to water.

 

[jfields]

Looks like they have finally thrown in the towel and admitted defeat.

Link.



The Dailymail published, "officials said it would mean switching off all power and abandoning attempts to keep the nuclear fuel rods cool." The problem with that, of course, is that there are already "three raging meltdowns" under way as Dr. Kaku explains. If you abandon efforts to cool the fuel rods, then an accelerated meltdown is "inevitable," says Dr. Kaku.

Read somewhere else the it's going to be the better part of 20 years shutting the reactors down.

 

[BlindedByScience]

Fugg all this technical shit. 50 men volunteered to die to save their country men. God bless 'em.

Doc.

Like most other reports from the major news media, I don't think that those reports are accurate Doc......

A little update on those brave men...they are most certanly going to die.

"....Speaking tearfully through an interpreter by phone, the mother of a 32-year-old worker said: “My son and his colleagues have discussed it at length and they have committed themselves to die if necessary to save the nation...."

 

[vortex]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

 

[SirSqueeboo]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

Not to promote another website, but there's a thread on their forum that has a few people who work in nuclear plants offering their analysis. Quite a good, yet lengthy read. It is updated constantly.

"Fukushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation"

 

[Shamrocker]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

Not to promote another website, but there's a thread on their forum that has a few people who work in nuclear plants offering their analysis. Quite a good, yet lengthy read. It is updated constantly.

"Fukushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation"

Wow, that's a good read. I am only part way through and I really want to keep going. I find this very interesting since my Dad is a retired worker from the Atomic Energy Of Canada research lab in Pinawa, MB. For as long as I can remember, he always cut through the BS misinformation for us.

 

[vortex]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

Not to promote another website, but there's a thread on their forum that has a few people who work in nuclear plants offering their analysis. Quite a good, yet lengthy read. It is updated constantly.

"Fukushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation"

Wow, that's a good read. I am only part way through and I really want to keep going. I find this very interesting since my Dad is a retired worker from the Atomic Energy Of Canada research lab in Pinawa, MB. For as long as I can remember, he always cut through the BS misinformation for us.

Interesting in terms of how it was designed and supposed to operate. Not up to date vis-a-vis triple meltdown announced today. This is not only the fist complete meltdown of a nuclear reactor but THREE of them. CDC has increased by 3000 fold the allowable radiation dose in order to quell panic but even that will be exceeded if these cores melt down to the water table and release massive amounts of super heated, radioactive steam.

 

[Backslide]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

How did they all die? from radiation or from the government?

The entire shift working when the disaster at Chernobyl happend were imprisoned by the state. Who knows how they died?

 

[badwhale]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

How did they all die? from radiation or from the government?

The entire shift working when the disaster at Chernobyl happend were imprisoned by the state. Who knows how they died?

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_involvement_in_the_Chernobyl_disaster

 

[SirSqueeboo]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

How did they all die? from radiation or from the government?

The entire shift working when the disaster at Chernobyl happend were imprisoned by the state. Who knows how they died?

I don't see how that's possible since there were (if I remember correctly) some 10-20 thousand liquidators. The radiation on the roof of the reactor was so strong that most died within minutes. They were the lucky ones. There's a documentary about Chernobyl and it in they interviewed a dozen or so survivors who were routinely hospitalized for months from the event to their death.

 

[Backslide]

Source Id say this info is about as accurate as the typical wiki page ROFL

"In keeping with a long tradition of Soviet justice, they imprisoned all the people who worked on that shift - regardless of their guilt. The man who tried to stop the chain reaction in a last desperate attempt to avoid the meltdown was sentenced to 14 years in prison. He died 3 weeks later. "

 

[SirSqueeboo]

Source Id say this info is about as accurate as the typical wiki page ROFL

"In keeping with a long tradition of Soviet justice, they imprisoned all the people who worked on that shift - regardless of their guilt. The man who tried to stop the chain reaction in a last desperate attempt to avoid the meltdown was sentenced to 14 years in prison. He died 3 weeks later. "

I missed the "when" :whistling:. I thought you meant the people working the scene.

I don't doubt they sent the people to the Gulags. They couldn't afford to look incompetent during the cold war. The commies always found a scapegoat.

 

[vortex]

It's a damn shame. Everyone but one woman that worked on Chernobyl are now dead.

This is far worse than Chernobyl in terms of total release. Hopefully, someone will put some kind of containment on this or we will be looking at worldwide famine. The "worst case scenario" is just not acceptable! :angry:

How did they all die? from radiation or from the government?

The entire shift working when the disaster at Chernobyl happend were imprisoned by the state. Who knows how they died?

I just saw an interview with the last survivor and she had several types of cancer but still lived to tell the story. They rest succumbed to cancer, of course. But the government was complicit in requiring them all to serve four and a half years cleaning up or would deny them their pensions. In the end, they denied them anyway.

She also described the the scene in the nearby towns. Horrific.

Edit to add:
I just realized I was too imprecise when I said, "worked on Chernobyl" Should have been "Worked on the Chernobyl clean up".