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Are RP Vintage for real?

LilBastage

LilBastage

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There is a new cigar on a retailer's site called 'Flor de Baloney' that is taking shots at the RP Vintage lines. I've read Lew Rothman's rants before about how there could not possibly be any tobacco left from the early 90s as it would have been used up in the boom years. What he has to say does make some sense, but is it true?

If the claims made by Rocky Patel about the RP Vintage lines are false, I'll be disappointed. I like them a great deal and would likely still smoke them, but being a fan of RP products in general, I would probably be reluctant to try any new stuff. I just don't like blatant dishonesty in marketing. I also don't like it when businesses take blatant shots at their competition. Sell me your product, don't attack your competitors. That is not the way to win my business...


Am I just naive to believe that the tobacco is as old as it is claimed? Is it all marketing hype?
 
No idea.

But the 1990s are some of my favorite smokes. And as long as Rocky doesn't screw with the blend I'll be happy to keep buying them.
 
Wurm said:
And as long as Rocky doesn't screw with the blend I'll be happy to keep buying them.
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Same here.

But false advertising does piss me off and if it were to come out that Rocky has been lyeing to us I will be more likely to look for a different smoke.

I think the Vintage lines only the wrapper is suppose to have been from the 1990 and 1992 crops. So that would have helped stretch tobacco supply as long as what he had was mostly wrapper quality leaf.

I have a feeling that the 1990 and 1992 lines won't be around too much longer, it is nothing more than a feeling. The introduction of the 1999 vintage is what make me think this.
 
What if the originals had the 1990 tobacco and the recently rolled ones do not? As long as they taste the same (and they do) why get upset.

I am picking up a box of the 1990 coronas on my next trip to Nürnberg, because I also think they are going to go away. And if they do, then Rocky wasn't lying to us.
 
Wurm said:
What if the originals had the 1990 tobacco and the recently rolled ones do not? As long as they taste the same (and they do) why get upset.

I am picking up a box of the 1990 coronas on my next trip to Nürnberg, because I also think they are going to go away. And if they do, then Rocky wasn't lying to us.
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I'm certainly not upset. I would just be disappointed at being lied to. I'm not going to stop buying the Vintage lines, I love them. I will, however, be unlikely to try any of the new Rocky Patel offerings if the claims of Lew Rothman are correct.

There is the a fine line in marketing between honesty and dishonesty. If that line is crossed, I find it difficult to not take notice of some sort. That's all I'm saying.
 
This is an interesting topic of cigar branding and marketing.

I personally like the Rocky Patel 1990 series.

IMO, there's two ways to look at how "vintages" are used.

1) The actual vintage year indicates the year that some or all of the tobacco is from. The best example of this that I can think of is the Macanudo Vintages. They don't have them every year. Supposedly only the great crops get to have a vintage label.

2) The year is used to denote some symbolic or otherwise important year. OpusX uses 1992 on all of its boxes to symbolize when the first seeds for the OpusX line were planted. Current release OpusX don't use tobacco from 1992, much to the dismay of greedy Ebay retailers. But the year 1992 has stayed on the boxes.


In the case of the RP Vintage 1990 and 1992, the wrappers of those cigars was originally from those years. But like the OpusX, that aged tobacco is probably gone or will be gone in the future. As Wurm states above, the blend just needs to be tweaked.

JR is pissed about this obviously. We also have to consider timeframe. When the 1990 and 1992 first came out, it was true that they had aged wrappers. I'm OK with the fact that that original tobacco may be gone. That brand has only been out for a few years.

But think about what it'd be like 20 years from now, to have the same label. People could be misled, thinking that a brand that came out many many years ago still had the vintage tobacco in it.

I'd also like to know if the 1990/1992 series are going to be discountinued.
 
If they are selling 'aged 10 years' or 'aged 12 years' tobacco, then wouldn't THIS years 1990/1992 tobacco have been picked in 1994 and 1996? Perhaps the origonal was from 90/92, but there's no reason to think it's now the same stock, just a very similar taste.
 
From the CI Website.

A masterpiece.

In the "cigar community" (is it me or is there a "community" for everything these days?), Rocky Patel's Vintage Series has been blazing hot. For good reason. This blend is nothing short of masterful: complex and smooth, with layer after layer of deep flavor. Offered in 2 styles, Vintage 1990 and Vintage 1992. With each, the wrapper tobaccos are the key ingredient. In fact these wrappers are incredible. Let me explain:

Vintage 1990 is a blend of Dominican and Nicaraguan Ligero draped in a tantalizing natural Broadleaf wrapper from Honduras. It's medium-bodied with a really enjoyable, complex smooth-rich flavor.

Vintage 1992 offers the identical fillers and binder as the 1990, with the variation being very dark 10 year old Ecuadorian Sumatra wrapper. It's medium-bodied with a creamy, nutty, and full flavor.

To accompany its spot within the world's Top 50 Cigars, Vintage 1990 was received a '93' and '92' rating!
"A pressed, attractive cigar with great oils and nice color. It's nutty, earthy and sweet, with a medium to full body. A finger burner."

Then here's the link to RP's website about Vintage. Seems only the wrappers are aged 10 to 12 years, the binder and filler are aged 5. This makes sense as if the entire cigar was aged for over a decade, I would have expected a higher price point and a MUCH BETTER cigar, flavorwise. I prefer the 1992's though.
 
JR's is upset because Rocky and CI have a deal going on and he cannot get into the action.

I love the name of his new cigar though. May have to pick up a bundle just for the entertianment value of handing them out.

Here is a link to the description.
 
bilder said:
JR's is upset because Rocky and CI have a deal going on and he cannot get into the action.

I love the name of his new cigar though. May have to pick up a bundle just for the entertianment value of handing them out.

Here is a link to the description.
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Hehe, Lew does do some funny things when he gets bent about cigars.

Wilkey
 
bilder said:
JR's is upset because Rocky and CI have a deal going on and he cannot get into the action.

I love the name of his new cigar though. May have to pick up a bundle just for the entertianment value of handing them out.

Here is a link to the description.
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Wow, made from the Villazon factory!!!! Never had a bad Villazon production. These might be worth a try.
 
All I know is I love these cigars. They could be made last week for all I care. I just like the sticks.
 
I went through a bundle of the '92 "seconds" in petite corona, and thought they were pretty decent. IMHO, I'd take a Padron 2000 over them, for about the same price.

To each his own, gents - if you like 'em....smoke 'em...!!

Cheers - B.B.S.
 
Quote from the Linky posted above:

"Our company got where we are by treating customers efficiently and honestly, and that's why I've spent a lot of time and money to make a brand to right a massive wrong that's being perpetrated on smokers here in this country. The brand is called Flor de Baloney and you'll notice two dates on the band - 1890 and 1892, indicating that the tobaccos are 116 and 118 years old, respectively. Of course, this is sheer bullshit, but so are the dates on a lot of expensive cigars that are on smokeshop shelves right now. There's no real difference between these new Flor de Baloney cigars and the "vintage" cigars being foisted on the public for six, seven, and eight dollars apiece other than the price"

Now I am certainly not offended by blue words, and in fact, I use them a lot. But are they actually a good marketing tool to sell anything?? Just my personal thoughts. And yeah, he must really be pissed that he can't get any of the RP action. A pretty strong and IMHO immature reaction by a man that is supposed to be a top notch salesman. I've heard before that this guy is a master BS artist, and now I know that he is a cry baby too. I'm not sure where I'll buy my next batch of cigars, but it might just be a better idea to support my local B&M than to give this guy any money.

Afterthought:

Also, I don't pay ANY attention to marketing when I smoke a cigar. I don't care where the tobacco came from or whose tits it was rolled in (cigar ad reference). If it smokes good and tastes good, it's got my seal of approval on it. I don't care who else likes it or hates it. The phrase most said on this board is "Smoke what you like, like what you smoke." and that is my advice. Besides, if we all believed advertisers, Irish Spring, All laundry detergent and Hanes underwear would get you lay'd by hot women.......... Oh, and Acids would too.
 
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