Getting Your Feet Wet Pass #4

Cparker

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Looks like solid put and takes to me. Appears Theron may be taking a liking to the lancero. Nice !!
 

whylieineedacigar

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Great job. It seems that lately seriouscigars has been having very good prices on boxes without them being tagged as "on sale."
 

ironpeddler

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theronray said:
Alright, here's my proposals for P & T's:
 
Put:  Oliva O robusto maduro                              Take:   #16) La Palina El Dario Kill Bill  ($7.14)
         Smoke Inn:       $143.95/20 = $7.20...This is not a 'Temporary Sale' price. This is the MSRP and SI discounts that price every day. Please revise and use $115.95 per box.
         Holts:                $123.95/20 = $6.20
         Cigars Intl:        $146.78/20 = $7.34...This is not a 'Temporary Sale' price. This is the MSRP and CI discounts that number every day. Please revise and use $123.99 per box.
         Avg Price:         $6.91
 
Put:  Undercrown Corona Viva                            Take:   #7) Ortega Serie #12 maduro  ($6.37)
         Smoke Inn:       $181.25/25 = $7.25...Please use the price of $162.95
         Cigars Intl:        $175.94/25 = $7.04...Please use the price of $137.23
         Serious:            $136.95/25 = $5.48
         Avg Price:         $6.59
 
Put:   Don Pepin Blue Exclusivo                          Take:   #11) La Aroma de Cuba Mi Amor  ($7.55)
         Cigars Intl:        $223.44/24 = $9.31
         Serious:            $119.95/24 = $5.00
         Famous:           $223.44/24 = $9.31
         Avg Prce:          $7.87
 
Put:   Herrera Estelli Lonsdale                             Take:  #68) Viaje Antidote  ($8.91)
         Smoke Inn:       $223.95/25 = $8.96
         Cigars Intl:        $228.00/25 = $9.12
         Serious:            $204.95/25 = $8.20
         Avg Price:         $8.76
 
Put:   Jamie Garcia No. 4                                     Take:  #70) Viaje Super Lance  ($9.69)
         Smoke Inn:       $240.00/23 = $10.43
         Holts:                $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Cigars Intl:        $240.00/23 = $10.43
         Avg Price:         $10.09
 
Put:  Arturo Fuente Anejo Reserva #46               Take:   #74) Illusione HL  ($8.74)
         Famous:           $212.50/25 = $8.50
         Holts:                $212.50/25 = $8.50
         Jack Schwarz:  $214.50/25 = $8.58
         Avg Price:         $8.53
 
 
Thoughts of these?
 
Thanks for posting your P&Ts Theron. In going over them, I think I wasn't clear on how to figure out the values when factoring in a 'Sale Price'. 
 
When we mentioned not using a sale price, I meant not using a temporary sale price...a price that has a date next to it as to when that sale ends. What you have done here is go back to an MSPR or List price when in fact those shops discount that cigar every day. 
 
Example...
 
 
Drew Estate Undercrown Corona Viva                                                List price: $181.25


Liga Privada Undercrown By Drew Estate
Size: 5 5/8 x 46 
Pack: 25                                                                                                                 Smoke Inn price: $162.95

 
 
The price of $162.95 is Smoke Inn's every day price for this cigar...not $181.25....and that is not considered a sale price, that is an every day discount. I addressed this issue here...LINK. The operative word here is "temporary". When Chip was trying to establish a value on the Cuvee, he used a temporary sale price and I asked him to revise it because of that. Usually it's clearly marked on a website...but sometimes it isn't...in that case the Pass sponsors step in to make a decision as to the correct price.
 
Theron, please go over ALL your P&Ts (not just the ones I pointed out) and revise the pricing to reflect the every day prices of those cigars.  :thumbs: When I started to check them, that's when I noticed a pattern on your pricing. I apologize for not being more specific & clear on this issue when you asked this question the other day. 
 

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Now it makes sense! I only checked the prices for SC because the difference was so much that I figured they must have a sell or something going on.
 

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I believe serious always has around 10 percent off box prices but that may be in store only.
Normally half of the fun in shopping for cigars is finding a deal. I don't normally use sites like ci or famous cause they have the above prices often. If you look around you can find better deals sometimes.
 

theronray

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I had originally done my pricing the correct way, but second guessed myself & screwed it up.  Luckily, I kept the my initial pricing, so I won't have to go back through all the sites to figure it out.  I'll post new P & T's tonight when I get home from work.
 
My apologies for the screw-up.
 

Cparker

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I agree regarding CI pricing. While they have some really good deals sometimes, overall CI enjoys a reputation of being the least expensive that I think is often misleading. And, admittedly, I find I overspend on CI for things I really don't need like the circular ice cube tray I added to an order last year for no legitimate reason.
 

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theronray said:
I had originally done my pricing the correct way, but second guessed myself & screwed it up.  Luckily, I kept the my initial pricing, so I won't have to go back through all the sites to figure it out.  I'll post new P & T's tonight when I get home from work.
 
My apologies for the screw-up.
No worries. That's what this pass is all about - wet feet. :p
 

ironpeddler

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theronray said:
I had originally done my pricing the correct way, but second guessed myself & screwed it up.  Luckily, I kept the my initial pricing, so I won't have to go back through all the sites to figure it out.  I'll post new P & T's tonight when I get home from work.
 
My apologies for the screw-up.
 
No apologies necessary...this one is on me for not making the point clear. Let's file this one under 'learning experience'... :thumbs:
 

theronray

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Ok, let's try this again!  Hopefully I calculated correctly this time.  If not, I'll get it fixed & post again.
 
Here we go:
 
Put:  Oliva O robusto maduro                              Take:   #7)  Ortega #12 maduro  
         Smoke Inn:       $115.95/20 = $5.80                            $6.37          [$6.05 , $6.69]
         Holts:                $123.95/20 = $6.20
         Cigars Intl:        $123.99/20 = $6.20
         Avg Price:         $6.06
 
Put:   Don Pepin Blue Exclusivo                          Take:   #16)  La Palina El Dario Kill Bill  
         Cigars Intl:        $2188.99/24 = $7.87                         $7.14          [$6.78 ,$7.50]
         Serious:            $119.95/24 = $5.00
         Famous:           $189.99/24 = $7.92
         Avg Prce:          $6.93
 
Put:   Cabaiguan Imperiales                                Take:  #74) Illusione HL 
         Smoke Inn:       $209.95/24 = $8.75                          $8.74          [$8.30 , $9.18]
         Holts:                $209.95/24 = $8.75
         Cigars Intl:        $210.60/24 = $8.78
         Avg Price:         $8.76
 
Put:   Jamie Garcia No. 4                                     Take:  #70) Viaje Super Lance  
         Smoke Inn:       $214.99/23 = $9.34                            $9.69          [$9.21 , $10.17]
         Holts:                $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Cigars Intl:        $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Avg Price:         $9.38
 
Put:  Arturo Fuente Anejo Reserva #46               Take:   #68) Viaje Antidote  
         Famous:           $212.50/25 = $8.50                            $8.91          [$8.46 , $9.36]
         Holts:                $212.50/25 = $8.50
         Jack Schwarz:  $214.50/25 = $8.58
         Avg Price:         $8.53
 
Put:  Headley Grange Corona Gorda                   Take:   #11) La Aroma de Cuba Mi Amor  
         Smoke Inn:       $182.25/24 = $7.62                             $7.55          [$7.17 , $7.93]
         Holts:                $181.99/24 = $7.58         
         Cigars Intl:        $182.99/24 = $7.62
         Avg Price:         $7.61
 

ironpeddler

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theronray said:
Ok, let's try this again!  Hopefully I calculated correctly this time.  If not, I'll get it fixed & post again.
 
Here we go:
 
Put:  Oliva O robusto maduro                              Take:   #7)  Ortega #12 maduro  
         Smoke Inn:       $115.95/20 = $5.80                            $6.37          [$6.05 , $6.69]
         Holts:                $123.95/20 = $6.20
         Cigars Intl:        $123.99/20 = $6.20
         Avg Price:         $6.06
 
Put:   Don Pepin Blue Exclusivo                          Take:   #16)  La Palina El Dario Kill Bill  
         Cigars Intl:        $2188.99/24 = $7.87                         $7.14          [$6.78 ,$7.50]
         Serious:            $119.95/24 = $5.00
         Famous:           $189.99/24 = $7.92
         Avg Prce:          $6.93
 
Put:   Cabaiguan Imperiales                                Take:  #74) Illusione HL 
         Smoke Inn:       $209.95/24 = $8.75                          $8.74          [$8.30 , $9.18]
         Holts:                $209.95/24 = $8.75
         Cigars Intl:        $210.60/24 = $8.78
         Avg Price:         $8.76
 
Put:   Jamie Garcia No. 4                                   Take:  #70) Viaje Super Lance  
         Smoke Inn:       $214.99/23 = $9.34                            $9.69          [$9.21 , $10.17]
         Holts:                $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Cigars Intl:        $215.95/23 = $9.39     I can't find this cigar anywhere!  Do you have the name wrong or am I an idiot?  :laugh: 
         Avg Price:         $9.38
 
Put:  Arturo Fuente Anejo Reserva #46                Take:   #68) Viaje Antidote  
         Famous:           $212.50/25 = $8.50                            $8.91          [$8.46 , $9.36]
         Holts:                $212.50/25 = $8.50
         Jack Schwarz:  $214.50/25 = $8.58
         Avg Price:         $8.53
 
Put:  Headley Grange Corona Gorda                   Take:   #11) La Aroma de Cuba Mi Amor  
         Smoke Inn:       $182.25/24 = $7.62                             $7.55          [$7.17 , $7.93]
         Holts:                $181.99/24 = $7.58         
         Cigars Intl:        $182.99/24 = $7.62
         Avg Price:         $7.61
 
Loking good! I can't seem to find the 'Jamie Garcia No. 4' though...even when I correct the spelling to 'Jaime'. What size is it? 
 
Clear that up and we should be good to go! 
 

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theronray said:
Ok, let's try this again!  Hopefully I calculated correctly this time.  If not, I'll get it fixed & post again.
 
Here we go:
 
Put:  Oliva O robusto maduro                              Take:   #7)  Ortega #12 maduro  
         Smoke Inn:       $115.95/20 = $5.80                            $6.37          [$6.05 , $6.69]
         Holts:                $123.95/20 = $6.20
         Cigars Intl:        $123.99/20 = $6.20
         Avg Price:         $6.06
 
Put:   Don Pepin Blue Exclusivo                          Take:   #16)  La Palina El Dario Kill Bill  
         Cigars Intl:        $2188.99/24 = $7.87                         $7.14          [$6.78 ,$7.50]
         Serious:            $119.95/24 = $5.00
         Famous:           $189.99/24 = $7.92
         Avg Prce:          $6.93
 
Put:   Cabaiguan Imperiales                                Take:  #74) Illusione HL 
         Smoke Inn:       $209.95/24 = $8.75                          $8.74          [$8.30 , $9.18]
         Holts:                $209.95/24 = $8.75
         Cigars Intl:        $210.60/24 = $8.78
         Avg Price:         $8.76
 
Put:   Jamie Garcia No. 4   My Father Lancero #4                                 Take:  #70) Viaje Super Lance  
         Smoke Inn:       $214.99/23 = $9.34                                                                $9.69          [$9.21 , $10.17]
         Holts:                $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Cigars Intl:        $215.95/23 = $9.39
         Avg Price:         $9.38
 
Put:  Arturo Fuente Anejo Reserva #46               Take:   #68) Viaje Antidote  
         Famous:           $212.50/25 = $8.50                            $8.91          [$8.46 , $9.36]
         Holts:                $212.50/25 = $8.50
         Jack Schwarz:  $214.50/25 = $8.58
         Avg Price:         $8.53
 
Put:  Headley Grange Corona Gorda                   Take:   #11) La Aroma de Cuba Mi Amor  
         Smoke Inn:       $182.25/24 = $7.62                             $7.55          [$7.17 , $7.93]
         Holts:                $181.99/24 = $7.58         
         Cigars Intl:        $182.99/24 = $7.62
         Avg Price:         $7.61
 
:laugh: Spelling is a letter or two out of place...this is an entire description! Too funny...that made my morning!
 
They all look good Theron...pack it up and ship it when Frank is ready.
 
Great job hanging in there and working through your P&Ts...that's what a Newbie Pass is all about...learning & having fun!
 
Thanks for being a part of our Pass brother! 
 

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Nice job Theron, I like your Puts and Takes. 
 
Sorry about the late update on Chip's stuff, we're all up to date now. 
 

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Theron, feel free to ship. Took a short trip and we'll be back tomorrow.

Frank
 

theronray

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Frank,
 
I'll try to get it out tomorrow, but I've got to go into the office in the morning & not sure if I'll be able to get by the post office before it closes .  If not, I'll get it out Monday for you & will post the tracking number.
 
Brian, thanks for having me included on this pass.  It's been fun!
 

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A slight change in the pass sequence is necessary. I am leaving to go out of town today to attend a funeral for my wife's ex-husband (The father of her two children). The pass will be sent to CaptJ and I will be sending CaptJ my puts and takes in order to keep the pass going without holding it up.

I've been in contact with Theron and CaptJ regarding these plans. It is still my hope that CaptJ and I can hand deliver the pass to Brain soon.
 

Jonesy

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Good job guys! Sorry I haven't been able to deal with the pass like I should be, but Gary is doing a great job with it. Frank, I won't be able to do a hand off with you and CaptJ. My work schedule is crazy and I'm not getting any time off except for the occasional Sunday. That really does me no good either because working 3rd shift, I get home at 7 am on Sunday morning, sleep all day, up all night, and then back at it on Monday.
 
I would like you to send the pass to Gary when you guys are done with it. He's done the heavy lifting, so in my eyes, this is his pass at this point.
 
Once again, I apologize to all of you in the pass for seemingly bailing on you. When I started this up, I was unemployed and had all the time in the world for it. Now that I'm working for Coca-Cola, I hardly have any time for myself. Had I known this, I probably wouldn't have started it, but like I said, Gary is doing a great job with all of you!
 

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Second that on Gary. He has been a real help guiding this pass through. Just failed me on Delicia showing up with the pass.
 
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