How do YOU value aged/rare cigars?

[llazy_llama]

But let me ask you, if you found Grandpa's Shelby AC Cobra in the garage he paid $3800 dollars for, would you sell it to me for the same price...?? Should I sell you the box of CoRo's I paid $500 for, for that price when they're going for $2500 every day on BR...??

This is a different question entirely, and the question the gentleman I was quoting was really asking. Well, technically two questions.

1: Is it morally acceptable to sell a cigar for greater than the initial price paid at a future date?

To that, I would say that yes, it is. It is morally acceptable to sell an item for any price you like, so long as no coercion is involved.

And 2: Is it acceptable to sell a cigar here on CigarPass for greater than the initial price paid?

To that question, I am not qualified to present an opinion.

 

[BlindedByScience]

Good discussion and I appreciate your input.

The "golden rule" of CP is "thall shall not profit from a brother ". All good until the off shore cigar prices went full bozo. So, if I bought the box of CoRo's for $500 ($20 / stick) and the going rate at auction is $2500 ($100 / stick)....and if I offer them to CP at, say $75 a stick...am I profiting? That's the question. I don't have the answer. I've got some boxes I've thought about moving, but this discussion is exactly what I think about. The advantages of selling here is trusted folks who will enjoy the smokes vs. the hellscape of the auction market. I don't have the answer....but I'm listening.

 

[BlindedByScience]

I'll also add that of course, 10yo OpusX and Padron (and others) are clearly worth more than paid for at the time, but nothing is worth more than what someone is actually paying for the goods. Squishy, at best...

 

[Smart Ash]

At the end of the day, I think most of us in this community know when someone is asking a fair price for something vs someone that is trying to profit from a sale. I also think that one of us would call it out if we thought that was the case. Not saying it’s wrong to profit, as it’s the American way, but it’s not in the spirt of this group. If someone wants to sell something here, when in doubt, ask in PM if it’s okay. If you don’t know who to ask, then posting a for sale thread is likely a bad idea to begin with. Personally, I would hate to miss out on an opportunity to purchase something that I desire because the price is different than it was 5, 10, or whatever years ago. I’d rather have the chance to make my own decision than to miss out. I’m confident in my ability to distinguish right from wrong and believe most here can too.

 

[Johnny-O!]

...very fair, and reasonable. But let me ask you, if you found Grandpa's Shelby AC Cobra in the garage he paid $3800 dollars for, would you sell it to me for the same price...?? Should I sell you the box of CoRo's I paid $500 for, for that price when they're going for $2500 every day on BR...??

Not busting your balls, but IMHO some consideration of accrued value has to be made or the simple fact is sales of the really cool stuff could vanish from CP. Not good or bad, but it's practical. I'm as generous as the next guy, but giving $$$ away on a sale is kinda a tough sell. Good discussion, good to think about. I surely don't have all the answers

...oh, and to be clear, I'll buy every single vintage AC Cobra you bring me for $3800...today, cash....

If I find a ton of gold in your basement that was put there in 1970, I expect you to sell it to me at $35/ounce. John

 

[rbbrock]

Very similar to a discussion last fall, though that was in regard to ISOMs. I think the general consensus was that taking age, and pricing changes over time if applicable, into account is entirely reasonable. In my opinion it would be unreasonable to bar such a sale, the result being that such cigars will simply not be offered here and will instead be sold at other venues where the seller can ask a price that is fair to him.

I would prefer that the opportunity to buy aged cigars from a trusted brother be kept in this community. We've all been around the block, and most of us are pretty good at sniffing out a rat if there is one. (Some of the FOGs have a sixth sense, I swear!)

 

[BlindedByScience]

I still don't have definite answers but I really appreciate the great discussion..!!

 

[cohibasurfer]

Is it really profit if you’ve kept them for decades and price them accordingly? Should I sell my house for what I paid 30 years ago because it’s one of my brothers buying?

No and No.

My out look I have on this subject is. This really pertains to the current Cuban debacle, If you have stock you purchased for $300 when ever, and the current market is now a solid $650. Well then $650 isn't a bad deal to give a CP brother. It's when people buy something current with the intention of making a buck off a Brother. Excluding those here that actually have a business model to make their living.

 

[cohibasurfer]

Good discussion and I appreciate your input.

The "golden rule" of CP is "thall shall not profit from a brother ". All good until the off shore cigar prices went full bozo. So, if I bought the box of CoRo's for $500 ($20 / stick) and the going rate at auction is $2500 ($100 / stick)....and if I offer them to CP at, say $75 a stick...am I profiting? That's the question. I don't have the answer. I've got some boxes I've thought about moving, but this discussion is exactly what I think about. The advantages of selling here is trusted folks who will enjoy the smokes vs. the hellscape of the auction market. I don't have the answer....but I'm listening.

This scenario for me is offering the Community as a whole a deal. I mean you might be making money off the transaction, but it's still offering a deal to members. And these goods are also worth different prices to different members. If a man isn't interested then he can just click on another thread. Or if he knows of a better deal, that could be passed along as well.

Along with the above, I know we don't want a flood of newbies joining just to be setting up a flipper shop here. So there's that as well.

 

[llazy_llama]

Along with the above, I know we don't want a flood of newbies joining just to be setting up a flipper shop here. So there's that as well.

Well there goes my plan to flip 10 year old Acids I find at local vape/head shops. Tens of dollars of startup capital wasted.

 

[2K6TBSS]

Great discussion here.

I would tend to agree with the more seasoned members here. If you purchased cigars 10+ years ago and are wanting to sell them today there would be an acceptable "added cost" to them. Today's market is vastly different than it was 10 (or even 2-3) years ago, so there should be some consideration taken into account. Plus, there's the time and effort you have put into making sure the cigars are stored properly and not just shoved into a closet and forgot about.

I believe that most of us know a good deal when another member here posts one, and if the sale/trade seems out of line it's brought to the attention of the seller and typically resolved in a professional manner. One of the best parts about this place is purchasing from a trusted source that you know the cigars have been stored and well taken care of, so you don't have to worry about getting something that's dried out and not enjoyable.