kann
One Leg Of Fury.
Dun. Thanks!
*EDIT*. Sorry, Dan. I'm done hijacking your thread. Can't wait to follow along and see if my future findings parallel yours.
Rojas cigar specialist vol 1
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Dun. Thanks!
*EDIT*. Sorry, Dan. I'm done hijacking your thread. Can't wait to follow along and see if my future findings parallel yours.
You can ship it to me also, you may pay Tax sending it to AaronWell, shit. Went through all that putting the Specialist box and a 10 box of Tejanos lanceros in the cart, they actually take MasterCard... but they don't ship DPO. *EDIT*. Lake Worth Cigars
Soooooo... who wants to help a brother out?
TexasTraveler
I'm kind of a big deal
Taxes
, this is Texas man, land of the Free... Actually I think we pay 1 penny tax or something like that...
kann
One Leg Of Fury.
Taxes
I am still an American -- I pay my taxes!
CgarDan
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Esteli Viso
Foot has an oaky, sweet aroma
dry draw same as foot
Once lit I get sweet-baking spice maybe molasses
then I get hit with white pepper that’s even more pronounced on the retro. So far seems that viso definitely had more power than secco and more flavor as well As the cigar progresses I am getting a bit of smoky wood - hickory notes. Also this priming even though still with a bit of dry notes not as much as the secco priming.
interesting question to ponder: why use secco at all in this case ?
and just an observation this is all only criollo 98 seed variety now imagine all the seed varieties out there and different regions / primings. No wonder there are so many blends out there.
Foot has an oaky, sweet aroma
dry draw same as foot
Once lit I get sweet-baking spice maybe molasses
then I get hit with white pepper that’s even more pronounced on the retro. So far seems that viso definitely had more power than secco and more flavor as well As the cigar progresses I am getting a bit of smoky wood - hickory notes. Also this priming even though still with a bit of dry notes not as much as the secco priming.
interesting question to ponder: why use secco at all in this case ?
and just an observation this is all only criollo 98 seed variety now imagine all the seed varieties out there and different regions / primings. No wonder there are so many blends out there.
CgarDan
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My goal here is to smoke one of each priming from each region as well as the mystery cigar
those who want the experience I am happy to send the same to anyone. I can do this 2 times. As the set has that available. Rojas even says in his video this can be done with 2 friends. So if anyone is interested don’t be shy
those who want the experience I am happy to send the same to anyone. I can do this 2 times. As the set has that available. Rojas even says in his video this can be done with 2 friends. So if anyone is interested don’t be shy
CgarDan
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Condega Viso
foot has a barnyard / cedar aroma
More of the same on the dry draw
Once lit I am getting cedar and interesting combination of something like a cinnamon/cayenne flavors but much milder than the Esteli version of the same priming. Also white pepper on the retro. Some sweet molasses notes in here also
this once again a more balanced tobacco. My guess something from Condega was used in Rojas Blue Bonnet blend
foot has a barnyard / cedar aroma
More of the same on the dry draw
Once lit I am getting cedar and interesting combination of something like a cinnamon/cayenne flavors but much milder than the Esteli version of the same priming. Also white pepper on the retro. Some sweet molasses notes in here also
this once again a more balanced tobacco. My guess something from Condega was used in Rojas Blue Bonnet blend
CgarDan
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Today Esteli and Condega ligero
the wrappers are not pretty to put it mildly. That’s why we never see a ligero wrapper I guess
Esteli has a spice aroma on the foot and hickory like dry draw
When lit I get hit with lots of spice: red pepper As it progresses more spice some smoky/hickory like flavors and this Is definitely the lead priming that delivers the strength of the cigar. As I am smoking this down some sweet spice is being mixed into the flavors This reminds me of the LFD chisel. I think I found a new therapy for stuffed sinuses. Just retro a cigar with lots of ligero
now the Condega.
sweet hay on the foot and more of the same on the dry draw.
Once lit initially cinnamon and baking spice Later some graham cracker with white pepper turning to green pepper on the retro Less strength than the Esteli but no sacrifice on the flavor
the wrappers are not pretty to put it mildly. That’s why we never see a ligero wrapper I guess
Esteli has a spice aroma on the foot and hickory like dry draw
When lit I get hit with lots of spice: red pepper As it progresses more spice some smoky/hickory like flavors and this Is definitely the lead priming that delivers the strength of the cigar. As I am smoking this down some sweet spice is being mixed into the flavors This reminds me of the LFD chisel. I think I found a new therapy for stuffed sinuses. Just retro a cigar with lots of ligero
now the Condega.
sweet hay on the foot and more of the same on the dry draw.
Once lit initially cinnamon and baking spice Later some graham cracker with white pepper turning to green pepper on the retro Less strength than the Esteli but no sacrifice on the flavor
kann
One Leg Of Fury.
Mine arrived today, via @TexasTraveler. I'm going to give it a few days to acclimate from the journey and then break into them. Can't wait for more of your reviews, too, Dan!
CgarDan
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Getting closer to the finish line. Today
Jalapa Viso
foot - oaky , earthy aroma
Dry draw - leather and earth
upon lighting: very dry, woodsy almost acrid taste. So far this is the worst tasting of the bunch. Imagine you left a tea bag I. The cup for way too long and that’s the harshness / acrid taste I am getting Retro is harsh black pepper.
I will try to smoke this at least half way to see what happens
not much improvement really. Tossed this at the half way mark. Can’t really imagine why this particular lead would be used in the blend.
curious to see what others who bought this set would experience
Jalapa Viso
foot - oaky , earthy aromaDry draw - leather and earth
upon lighting: very dry, woodsy almost acrid taste. So far this is the worst tasting of the bunch. Imagine you left a tea bag I. The cup for way too long and that’s the harshness / acrid taste I am getting Retro is harsh black pepper.
I will try to smoke this at least half way to see what happens
not much improvement really. Tossed this at the half way mark. Can’t really imagine why this particular lead would be used in the blend.
curious to see what others who bought this set would experience
CgarDan
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Now Jalapa Seco
Foot : dry woodsy
Dry draw : barnyard
Once lit: almonds, molasses with white pepper on the retro. Became more woodsy - oaky as it progressed
Different priming and a huge difference in enjoyment factor
Foot : dry woodsyDry draw : barnyard
Once lit: almonds, molasses with white pepper on the retro. Became more woodsy - oaky as it progressed
Different priming and a huge difference in enjoyment factor
CgarDan
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Jalapa ligero. Last of the corona sized pure primings
Aroma on foot - barnyard and some spice
Dry draw - more of the same
Once lit - oak, grassy earthy a bit dry and harsh
Retro - spicy but unpleasant.
past the halfway point the harshness subsided a bit.
My thoughts: Jalapa was the worst of the 3. Too harsh less flavorful. Even this Ligero is lacking in the actual flavor and even strength per se
Esteli was the most in your face flavor and strength. Which is not bad if you want to add that extra oomph Condega was the most pleasant of the regions as it was the most balanced tobacco.
next up will be the little wrapper cigarillo, binder only cigar ( not really looking forward to that looks ugly). And the mystery cigar blend
Aroma on foot - barnyard and some spice
Dry draw - more of the same
Once lit - oak, grassy earthy a bit dry and harsh
Retro - spicy but unpleasant.
past the halfway point the harshness subsided a bit.
My thoughts: Jalapa was the worst of the 3. Too harsh less flavorful. Even this Ligero is lacking in the actual flavor and even strength per se
Esteli was the most in your face flavor and strength. Which is not bad if you want to add that extra oomph Condega was the most pleasant of the regions as it was the most balanced tobacco.
next up will be the little wrapper cigarillo, binder only cigar ( not really looking forward to that looks ugly). And the mystery cigar blend
kann
One Leg Of Fury.
This is great stuff, Dan. I love reading your thoughts/reviews on these. I'm looking forward to breaking into mine once the weather warms up a bit. Did you consult your flavor wheel at all, or just wing it?
CgarDan
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I tried to use the Rojas flavor wheel as much as possible. This is definitely a fun process. I wish Rojas would put out another video explaining how he uses these different nuances of the tobacco to create a blend
Jared Nomack
Vintage Human
Same. Mine is resting quietly in a large ziploc surrounded by friendly Boveda packs, until I can get up to my cabin for a long weekend, where I can smoke nonstop and no one is there to complain. The snow is melting up in the Catskills now, so, soon. Enjoying these comments in the meantime (and wondering how in the world anyone can figure out all those kinds of flavors from tasting smoke...).
@kann What happens on the Vherf, stays on the vherf....
Kidding aside, Dan I did get to experience something really neat this last week at my local B&M. The rep from Aganorsa Leaf was there and he brought small 1 leaf rolls with him. They were very very loose and rustic. Basically you would light it and smoke it for a few puffs.. Then you would light the second one and take a few puffs. Then switch back so you could experience the different flavors. Then you would put both in your mouth and puff on them at the same time.. He explained this is how blenders create their cigars. Both of them that I had were Corojo, but they were different years I believe. It was a really cool experience that I didn't bother to take any pictures of video's of. I am very sad about that actually.
I did a quick search online and found this link below that has the same type of sticks from the event. Once I have a chance to review the below link further maybe that would be a cool vherf night??
Blend your own cigar! - Robustojoe
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CgarDan
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Today we have the bunch with the binder only
aroma on the foot: very light cedar
pre light draw: light cedar and flowery nuances
Once lit. Starts off with light grass, cereal grains and walnuts light white pepper on retro.
So far reminds me of the Condega primings and if I had to compare this to his regular production cigars it comes closest to the Blue Bonnet
in the second 3rd now. Now much evolution in terms of flavor. Perhaps a bit of pepper in present in the profile now Still feel it’s a Condega but perhaps they added a ligero leaf into it
last 3rd more of the same.
aroma on the foot: very light cedar
pre light draw: light cedar and flowery nuances
Once lit. Starts off with light grass, cereal grains and walnuts light white pepper on retro.
So far reminds me of the Condega primings and if I had to compare this to his regular production cigars it comes closest to the Blue Bonnet
in the second 3rd now. Now much evolution in terms of flavor. Perhaps a bit of pepper in present in the profile now Still feel it’s a Condega but perhaps they added a ligero leaf into it
last 3rd more of the same.